1982-0417-DM-version-Spring-TAT-Mtg-Rose-and-Burns-test-2

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dm0 -- 14:05

dm1 -- 29:49

dm2 -- 30:12

dm3 -- missing

dm4 -- missing

dm5 -- 30:02

dm6 -- 30:48

dm7 -- 30:04 -- waiting reset

dm8 -- 30:28 -- waiting reset

dm9 -- 12:39

dm-version 2 tape side 1 -- 29:50 - might be #3 -- waiting reset

dm-version-2 tape side 2 -- 28:55 - might be #4 -- waiting reset

See spreadsheet "Rose Mettle"

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File dm0

Time: 14:05

Speaker 1

dm0-00:09

Because them actually, his nut is a fruitcake. What George? No, that's the truth. It doesn't necessarily cast any doubt upon what I say because the nuttiest bastard on earth can tell the truth, but I really am, I'm as rammy a Billy goat and I don't particularly like it, but there's not much I can do about it. What's your label? Oh, paranoid schizophrenic. The most popular. You have that really

Speaker 2

dm0-00:38

Shooting in your

Speaker 1

dm0-00:39

Mind all the time? Well, no. I'll tell you a funny thing about the sick quote.

Speaker 2

dm0-00:45

Most schizo, they put personality, the mind is hard to control because you've got all kinds of stimulation, but the psychotic state where you have certain periods of warmness, like in the mystical experiences, right?

Speaker 1

dm0-00:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm0-00:58

Paranoia type. That's

Speaker 1

dm0-00:59

They're out to get you. Yeah. Well, I'm not only check your coffee. No, it is true. I am just a shambles compared to what I once was, but not the hell. I'm convinced that the teens are the only time when you're really able to be vitally active in this area. There are very few people that can, some can, but there are very few people that can achieve much of it. After the age of 20, you can build up a hell of a memory of events in your life and all the rest of that. Although there are some parts of it that continue on this business about the phones is That's one of the strangest ICSP type thing. Yeah. Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance, probably more than anything.

Speaker 2

dm0-01:51

People have that sometimes when it can be a handicap too, because you walk into a room and know everybody's thought.

Speaker 1

dm0-02:00

Drive you nuts. That's great. I've known people that had that problem and the psychiatrist had their hands on 'em and they drug you into a complete, complete oblivion. You can't think at all. I couldn't stand that, but I spent years fighting with the doctors in the hospitals.

Speaker 2

dm0-02:17

That's why they say you should get mind and body control first. It sounds to me like we really went deep with them.

Speaker 1

dm0-02:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm0-02:24

Control what you

Speaker 1

dm0-02:27

To learn how to do. That took a lot of knocks. It took a lot of bumps along the inner road to learn how to do that. In other words, here's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2

dm0-02:37

Did you get there though, and not able to come out?

Speaker 1

dm0-02:39

No. No. The trouble was always getting there. All you have to do with any of these states if you want to get out of it, is go to sleep. If you say to yourself, well, I think I'll go to sleep now. You just go to sleep and just like quick. You're back together again. When you wake up, it's gone. Well. It's not true, but rarely, most of the time when I was doing my meditation because of the practical circumstances involved, it was at nighttime after dinner and what have you, and when I would go to sleep, I'd wake up in the morning instead of coming to back, but occasionally I would wake back up and sit. But

Speaker 2

dm0-03:13

You'd be able to do this while you were awake, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1

dm0-03:15

From the waking state, you'd changes, it's not the same, but you

Speaker 2

dm0-03:18

Went deep into meditation. State awareness. Go beyond that. The state of not being aware of the moment gone on before and maybe going to where there's no mind, no body, just awareness like another dimension. It is it cognitive. It happened to me. It was a very much of a shock I had experienced going with him. That's where it starts, right? Going down with to, of course, the mind's completely empty. You go within and the body is, breath slows down three or four rest a minute. You're really deep. The same way if your eyes are awake or closed, the same thing, somebody comes in the room and talks to you, you can even answer. You're aware. You don't really come out of that too fast and I had a few experiences where I kind of come back to myself and wonder where it was. You know what I mean? It would be not aware of the moment gone on before and you come out of that. Everything's very sharp, very much when you come out of there. Here it's very blissful. You bring the state out with you least, but the first one that happened, everything dropped off. I mean, I shook the shit out. That's another realm altogether. Yeah, but I mean you'd think you'd be able to meditate now and what happens when you meditate now? I can't meditate. That's the trouble where things come.

Speaker 1

dm0-04:42

No. What I think happened is the tool was necessary for me at the time and it just outlived its usefulness. I think that if there was any real need for me to do it now, I would be able to.

Speaker 2

dm0-04:56

What do you mean you can't meditate?

Speaker 1

dm0-04:58

I can't meditate. In other words,

Speaker 2

dm0-04:59

Your mind comes full things.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:01

Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2

dm0-05:03

That's what happens in schizophrenia, but I mean, the thing is you really have a classical height of that or yours is your something that leads into the mystic.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:15

I think it's a damn fine line between them.

Speaker 2

dm0-05:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:20

It's a damn fine line between them. You have

Speaker 2

dm0-05:22

To take medication.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:23

I have been here for the last couple months. I've been off it for 10 years

Speaker 2

dm0-05:28

Off medication. You've been taking it

Speaker 1

dm0-05:31

A little bit, but not a great deal. I am against it. I fight tooth and nail, but it guts a goddamn rough for me over Christmas that I had to get some help somewhere.

Speaker 2

dm0-05:42

Yeah. Glad he built and everybody's out to get you and get into that cyclonic insight. Pretty rough.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:49

Yeah, it is. Believe

Speaker 2

dm0-05:52

You see that, but there are five lines between that and mystical.

Speaker 1

dm0-05:57

That's right. That one is only a confusion of the other. I believe. It's just a matter of being not quite, having your pins down. In other words, you're not convinced of your own insight. You lose the ability to believe yourself and you're searching for something. That's what happens to me, and I wind up imagining that things around me are able to help me see things clearly when it isn't the case, but I'm not bothered too much by that. I haven't had any real trouble with it for years.

Speaker 2

dm0-06:38

Yeah. Well that's part of it. You see clues and you think those clues are somewhat, see, that's not, but you had this quietness of the meditation. I mean the No mind you think if you could put yourself back into that again, you would.

Speaker 1

dm0-06:56

That's the reason I keep trying.

Speaker 2

dm0-06:59

That's the, that's where it's at. For me not seeing the signs. That's kind of the other

Speaker 1

dm0-07:05

Side of it.

Speaker 2

dm0-07:06

That's the rebound over into that area. Instead

Speaker 1

dm0-07:08

Of going, the problem is here's the fence and here's the hole and here's the hose, and instead of the water going through the hole, you start hitting the edges. That's what happens.

Speaker 2

dm0-07:20

Yeah, yeah. It's rebound.

Speaker 1

dm0-07:22

Yeah. It's bouncing around. It's not getting exactly what it's trying to find out.

Speaker 2

dm0-07:27

Maybe you just have to spend a certain time to go

Speaker 1

dm0-07:30

Through this. That's what I think. I think. Well, I know. I mean, I've been so much better in recent years than,

Speaker 2

dm0-07:41

But you're aware of a lot of, see, the thing is a lot of people aren't aware of this

Speaker 1

dm0-07:44

Mostly. Mostly,

Speaker 2

dm0-07:45

Right? Well, there's nothing. There's no problem here.

Speaker 1

dm0-07:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm0-07:48

You're able to observe yourself. That's probably because of all that.

Speaker 1

dm0-07:52

That's right. That's why I make the remark. If I hadn't had the meditation, it would've locked me up and thrown away the key. I would've had no way of getting back out of the trap.

Speaker 3

dm0-08:01

Yeah,

Speaker 2

dm0-08:02

You'd

Speaker 1

dm0-08:02

Be locked. That's right.

Speaker 2

dm0-08:04

That's right. That maybe you have some destiny, maybe your destinies to help other people.

Speaker 1

dm0-08:11

That's what all the sightings I run into keep telling me. They keep telling me I got another five years to go before I break out destinies to help other people conditioners maybe. I hope so. I'd sure like to get some plus out of it.

Speaker 2

dm0-08:26

Yeah. We own our own private trap.

Speaker 1

dm0-08:29

That's right.

Speaker 2

dm0-08:34

I don't think most people could understand that type of thing. No, they can't. They can't at all. Unless you've had certain experiences or work with it. Yeah,

Speaker 1

dm0-08:43

Way out. That's what's wrong with the psychiatrist. They're sitting there trying to tell you about something they know nothing about.

Speaker 2

dm0-08:48

They diagnose a mystical experience. They diagnose it all with schizophrenia. They say it's a withdrawal from reality, but mystic experiences are being right into reality. Well, of course that's what's wrong, but there's a fine line between the things. It's true. They don't know the difference. They sure don't. They think that, well, maybe your job is, maybe you have the job of combining them. It's

Speaker 1

dm0-09:12

Slab to turn up to that. I'll tell you, after 20 years of going down the buckhouse lane,

Speaker 2

dm0-09:18

I'd like to see the profit. Yeah, but if you reach that level that you had, you're not going through this for nothing. Sure. Maybe your destination combined, you know what I mean? That's what you're

Speaker 4

dm0-09:33

Here to do. Lemme see one of those smokes going through all the sandwiches again. There's plenty, and I can make them up if you eat 'em all over here. I I've

Speaker 5

dm0-09:51

Seen it in the store. Oh my God. Am I relieved to see you? I thought I was going to get treated here. How long ago did you get here? We got here long time we Oh, you came. I got here. Oh, right. Whenever you walked in. Yeah. Did you come down with Bill

Speaker 1

dm0-10:14

Or what?

Speaker 6

dm0-10:15

Yeah,

Speaker 1

dm0-10:16

We knew you. I'm afraid of, that's the reason I'm walking very carefully with this basket. Eggs.

Speaker 2

dm0-10:24

The thing is, it seems to me like the meditation you did, you get into pure sensation. That's right. To where thinking mind supposedly becomes purified and you can think if you want or not. But that's when the mine awareness. Now, this is a state of being, which is different than the ordinary persons who's neurotic, who, because their mines just a box. What happens? They see something and then of course the mind reflects of one, and of course with their own frame of reference, they reflect on the thinking. No, we got the idea of going within is you can purify the mine to where you can see intuitive, to see what's really there. So the way you went there, you went completely to a state of going within to the height of it all away from the neurotic, and now you've rebounded into a state where the mind, when you see things, there's all kinds of things coming.

Speaker 1

dm0-11:45

That's

Speaker 2

dm0-11:45

The schizophrenia type thing or the split personality. Now what the hell happened? I mean, that's weird. I know. Huh? I know Sophie. He doesn't find out, huh? Yeah. Right. I mean

Speaker 1

dm0-12:00

That is the way out. I'll tell you what, I've never heard of anybody that ever had the problem.

Speaker 2

dm0-12:05

I never knew of anybody that was able to combine those two things. Usually. What's you think schizophrenia and what would the quality of going on mind with body and meditation was stated just beyond being. That's just the state. The other dimensions you were in. That's right. I see. In the middle is the neurotic state of the ordinary person whose mine. There's probably quite a few. They never come back.

Speaker 1

dm0-12:29

That's right. The hospitals were full of

Speaker 4

dm0-12:31

It.

Speaker 6

dm0-12:32

Well, there's this man that wrote this book. He thought that the line between our religious experience going insane was so fine as to be virtually. That's true. The only way that you could know was by the fruits. That's right. If the person came out of whatever and was making a contribution to society, what's his name? George Fox that started the Quaker Movement

Speaker 3

dm0-12:51

French

Speaker 6

dm0-12:52

Society. The man was nut, but he was making a

Speaker 5

dm0-12:55

Contribution to society. I'd rather be nothing. Make contribution to No. He said that the difference between somebody who by their shop. Right.

Speaker 3

dm0-13:09

This man believed that there was such a thing as Justin Insanity, but that all the things, the captain in candy weren't necessarily insanity. Some of them were people who were very enlight

Speaker 4

dm0-13:23

Association. Be Observ first. You're going to copy come here at seven o'clock the morning for lessons.

Speaker 3

dm0-13:35

We'll be here seven you.

Speaker 5

dm0-13:56

This stuff. Really? I.

File dm1

Time: 29:49

Speaker 1

dm1-00:01

As soon as we get the bomb shelter built on the hill, with that membership going up, we're going to have to be careful who we let asking some questions each person. Frank. Frank, I'd like to do that.

Speaker 2

dm1-00:26

Hey, Mr. Rose. One thing I thought about was if you asked other people, they may pick up things from other, like when we did it the first time, everybody wrote down what they thought. The only reason I say that is because then you've got something in front of you you can look at after you get the information. In other words, if you ask me and I say something may contribute to somebody, I don't know. I thought about bringing pencil and paper just for the idea of what does direct mind ability or direct mind science mean to you? What is it? How does it, I got plenty of paper, Frank. There're small pieces too, by the phone. Then you can ask questions individually. Oh, those

Speaker 1

dm1-01:03

Are too small. Yeah. I'll see if I can,

Speaker 2

dm1-01:05

We got paper here. Tim got a tablet. Well, we'll get and fourth, being aware of various, your own states of mind and how they influence your actions. Okay. Other words for you? Direct mind. Is intuition the same thing as intuition?

Speaker 3

dm1-01:22

Right?

Speaker 2

dm1-01:25

Can we ask what you think

Speaker 3

dm1-01:26

Intuition is? Just the ability to know things for what they really are. Situations where people or events, I dunno.

Speaker 2

dm1-01:41

It happens

Speaker 3

dm1-01:41

Once in a while. There's know the way something is and

Speaker 2

dm1-01:44

It's in other words like when Mr. Rose was talking about having an experience that he picks up the phone. He feels that somebody's dying gets a hunch like sed does that this is coming in through intuition, through your natural mental powers. Objection. Leading the witness. Ask a question. Overruled. I won't come out and tell him. I think he's wrong yet. Right? I mean, yeah. In other words, is

Speaker 3

dm1-02:18

It just, it may not be that dramatic. It may not be that dramatic, but just that knowing what the right thing is,

Speaker 2

dm1-02:26

Right. Do you connect in the intuition with just the mundane mind? In other words, with the faculties of perceiving with your senses? Is that what your idea of intuition is? That in other words, if somebody picks something up, they don't hear anything. There's no reason for him to pick up the phone if that moment, there's no logical reason. There's nothing that we could say by observation that at that moment he should feel some apprehension about his mother or Sedona should pick something up. Is intuition then just is it a function of the,

Speaker 1

dm1-03:05

In other words, what you're getting at is the factors. All the factors are not given in his definition of intuition, and that was what I was going to suggest, that probably somebody at this point could add to what they would amplify. In other words, it takes quite a range. It's evident that it takes a range beyond just being able to sort into, it's very true that, like I said, the person with intuition can under know or meet the author between the

Speaker 3

dm1-03:45

Lines. Wouldn't it make more sense to say that intuition is a direct mind ability?

Speaker 1

dm1-03:52

Well, yeah, but what's direct mind then? We were defining direct

Speaker 3

dm1-03:55

Mind. Yeah, but rather than saying that direct mind is intuition, that intuition is an ability that you have, if you are

Speaker 1

dm1-04:02

Capable of

Speaker 3

dm1-04:03

The direct

Speaker 1

dm1-04:04

Mind or contact, yes, but do you have any direct mind if you're not capable of intuition, you know what I mean? It comes before and after the cart comes after. What do you mean? Well, a person has a direct mind. Ly also has intuition, but if he doesn't have intuition, you'll never have direct mind. See,

Speaker 3

dm1-04:34

On the other hand, don't animals have direct mind, but they don't have intuition because they don't have a computer that logically analyzes things?

Speaker 1

dm1-04:41

Well, the ones I talked to, did

Speaker 3

dm1-04:51

I care to prove your point?

Speaker 4

dm1-04:54

I think the point that Paul had about knowing about knowledge, being sure of yourself or having a point of knowledge. Okay.

Speaker 1

dm1-05:11

It definitely a form of knowing. There's no doubt about it. It is a form of knowing.

Speaker 4

dm1-05:15

Okay. But yeah, this is what I'm saying, but it's achieved that knowledge to be able to say or to be able to know has a lot to do with it. In other words, if you don't,

Speaker 2

dm1-05:28

Well, we're saying, I think from what you said, Mr. Rose, there is a difference between intuition and direct mind ability. That's more that the question. Absolutely. See, he defined it as being the direct mind, being intuition, and what my question was, isn't there a difference between having intuition and having direct bilities? That's more or less what I was saying.

Speaker 1

dm1-05:50

The fact that you can use it to kill an animal means that it's not intuition alone. It is a kinetic force. See, this is what I'm saying. There's a whole field of things attached to it. Now see, this is what we're getting at. See that it's not, I'm afraid it has been in your minds here, people have been limited in the understanding of it. There's possibly a way. There's possibly a way of saying that. Anybody got a suggestion? Come on. There's a way of saying this as to what direct mind is that includes this reach more ahead.

Speaker 3

dm1-06:39

Well, it says the direct mind refers to a mine dimension, which transcends out of the individual. The individual can contact this mind or allow himself to be free from total identification with his individual mind and thus cause changes to occur in himself, others in the physical world, which would be regarded as miracles and the ability to make this contact is developed by a way of life involving inward focus of attention, conservation of energy, and directing one's life or living one's, understanding willfully.

Speaker 2

dm1-07:18

So that first part was

Speaker 3

dm1-07:20

The first part. If you look at it as a mind dimension from which this world springs, that you can contact that dimension and you can cause a change, like maybe killing an animal

Speaker 1

dm1-07:32

Or changing the weather, changing the spots on the dice. That's what they've been doing. See, this is a very good amplification. This is an amplification. That's a very good definition. It's a very good definition.

Speaker 4

dm1-07:51

What would be the difference of changing the spots and guessing the spots before there?

Speaker 1

dm1-07:56

Well, yeah. Well, if you were to guess the spots, this too would be direct mind, but this is what I say. There's a passive faculty. Then there's the, let's say, active or aggressive mentality too. In other words, which you actually reach out with your mind and do things. Now to understand that, I mean to get a reading on that or what goes on, we don't really know. We really don't know. Although in some cases you suspect a tensity, a mental tensity where the person, like the woman with the salt and pepper shakers that you move with her mind, see, you concentrate. Now that seemed to involve, that was the Russian woman seemed to involve at Tensity, but I mean there was some electric, I don't even think it would've been the ectoplasmic because there was a glass shield over it, but that electrical tensity that caused it to move you pick up papers or magazine articles every day were tremendous things. Tremendous motions are occurred by mental. Sometimes it's just a group of people that are getting together and thinking about something start to move. See, could she actually move

Speaker 3

dm1-09:24

Those things

Speaker 1

dm1-09:25

By?

Speaker 3

dm1-09:26

Hi Matt, you want to talk about table lifting where the arm comes out of the physical, but it's a physical that's an ectoplasmic extrusion. Yes. Would that be different from if she was able to just move the things totally with her mind and not

Speaker 1

dm1-09:47

Some physical? Well, the thing is, the difference is the medium in all these cases is generally unconscious of what's going on. Now, sometimes in direct mind operations, the person, the operator is not conscious of what's happening at the time it happens, but generally done because he desires it to happen. The time of it happening is where the lag is, but the medium, she becomes a or he becomes in a certain condition in which there is an extrusion of ectoplasmic energy, and this is one method of moving objects. It seems to be limited incidentally, they don't move everything. It's not the same as so-called port gas activity.

dm1-10:43

I think that all these things, I think your polar geist activity, for instance, if you examine what you have to do is, I say you have to read a lot on this stuff if you want to get a good understanding. The polar geist incidentally, is in a relative dimension, the same as an astro body is in a relative dimension. The mind is not a relative dimension. The mind is not a relative dimension. The somatic mind is, but not what we're talking about. What you're saying is the reaching into a mind dimension superior to the somatic mind dimension. The somatic mind dimension is one of reflex action. It's reflexive like behaviorists. Talk about. It's strictly a reflexive thing. Somebody suggests something to you, it goes in your ear and hits one of your hormones, and you come up with a horny thought that's reflexive. You know what I mean? Yes. Philosophy. Philosophy, true philosophy is not reflexive. The original start of the true philosophy might've been selfish and very objective. Okay, so what you're hitting though, what you said, if people can understand this, I wonder if they understand what you wrote is that this dimension, first of all is manifestly. Now, this is my explanation. Don't take it, read, study this stuff yourselves. My understanding of what happens is that this dimension is not real and it's with the full knowledge that this dimension is not real, that you're able to change the picture show. That's all it amounts to.

Speaker 4

dm1-12:23

Really, the only way you can have full knowledge that this dimension is not real is to go to the real dimension or defined real,

Speaker 1

dm1-12:31

Right? You have an upon it accidentally, but you encourage the accidents. It isn't a question of just a great spiritual life or any of that sort alone. I think that anybody that falls a habit of encouraging encouragingly success ratios will approach it closer and closer. In other words, you'll become attuned. It's a question of attuning. Now, these things, then there'll be a time happen when I know it happened in my life when I was surprised myself by doing things, and it was almost like a computer, a voice in the old computer said, put your hand on our head. Could you do them? I put

Speaker 3

dm1-13:16

Hand on free meditation. Could you do things with free meditation or would always be a spontaneous thought occurred to you to do it?

Speaker 1

dm1-13:22

There's a rule. There's a rule that, I don't know if you can get around the rule or not, but there's a rule that I found is very necessary. You can't have any personal objective. You cannot have any personal objective. That's the reason. You're not going to conflict too much with the laws of what's supposed to be. You're not going to be, you can't do things selfish. You could, but I mean, first of all, I think it would've an effect upon all future direct mind operations because you'd be leaning in that direction. Anything that's selfish, for instance, is really tied to this dimension and it just pull you right back into this dimension. See what I mean? Selfishness is part of illusion. Your ego, you do it for money or something like that. Well, you say, what the hell gets the money? Whatcha are you going to buy with it? Another dream. So it prevents you from doing it again, then. Yeah. The only reason you do it, the only reason you do it is because of some momentary urgency.

dm1-14:27

Momentary urgency. There's no reason somebody asked Christ one time why he healed the people. Was this guy sick because his old grandfather was sick or his great-grandfather and he said, no, he was made sick so I could heal him. And it don't make any more sense than that when you go into that type of thing. It's the idea, the whole idea behind it is not the rewards, not the utility. Another thing there is a utility, and that's paradoxical because the simple fact, the utility is being able to get beyond this relative mind before you get thrust into it by death and not know how to handle it. Because my feeling is that 99 and 40, 4100% of the people when they die, they still are functioning in a relative bardo because that's the only thing they'd understand. Their consciousness wouldn't understand anything else.

Speaker 4

dm1-15:18

Why did Ed's abilities fill when that guy got

Speaker 1

dm1-15:23

Profit out? But see, that was an nego. He did that. He knew that he was in demand and he succumbeded to that. Oh, I thought he was selfless in it when he made the information. No, no, no, no. He didn't get anything out of it personally, but he was getting an ego trip. See, we used to do that here. We'd have little demonstrations here, and it was working the wrong way because we had sites here. We just came to see things happening, and then to me, I was becoming an entertainer and I didn't want to become an entertainer, wasn't my message.

Speaker 2

dm1-15:59

So Don, he did say, Chuck, that he didn't know that the guy was going to use it to make money. No, but he himself still got a rake off of it. No, he didn't get anything.

Speaker 1

dm1-16:06

He did. He got an ego team. See, he was real. I picked up a tone in Seddon's book that he was trying to get the idea across to the reader that he was very objective and he wanted to test all of, he set up laboratories that test his own powers and all this sort of thing to try to be objective and almost saying, Hey, this doesn't work. It's a coincidence. Let's see if it isn't a coincidence and all this sort of thing. I was amazed at that because of the simple fact that he had direct mine boat. He'd know damn well that where it was coming from and he had it. He had it, but because he's writing an autobiography, he felt compelled to detach himself from himself for the public's view in the book. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you got to read again.

dm1-16:55

You got to read that he evidently was doing this. A lot of people were flocking into his house so much that he couldn't get anything done, and he admits this. Well, they get there. He had to be putting on a few shows. He had to be enjoying those shows. That was the catch the attention. Then he realized it was damaging, so then he shut it down. Then he tried the process of trying to test. But I do believe this, all of this stuff someday is going to be better explained and better explained. We're approaching it other than mathematical theory, physics theories are approaching this idea.

dm1-17:46

You pick up a book every once in a while and read about somebody's idea of the limits of the human mind. They're talking about the somatic mind. See the reflexive mind. Somebody's talking earlier. Who was it to talk about the idea of, somebody said, couldn't program a computer to see itself. Somebody came up with that understanding and violent psychological understanding. The individual is so computed, so programmed, cannot reach a decision about itself until it has to rise above itself. See, now this is the catch. See, this is the whole thing. Like you said, you have to, what you said in the beginning is you somehow have to find a deliverance from yourself to a point where you can see this from this other dimension. Isn't

Speaker 4

dm1-18:37

That what the path towards truth, capital T truth will bring you to,

Speaker 1

dm1-18:42

Right? Absolutely basic. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the thing is that coincidental with it, if you don't want, you can get hung up on these little things. You can heal people, but they're hangups. See, they're little Lego trips. They're wasted because if a guy contacts the disease or something, that's because he wasn't cautious. And if he dies, it's because his time's up. And it is not for us to say whether it's good or bad that he dies. It could be something worse, but continuation of same monotony, or it could be better. The

Speaker 3

dm1-19:19

Fact that people get healed then couldn't you say, well, they were supposed to be healed and their time wasn't up then.

Speaker 1

dm1-19:25

Right, right, right. You're just playing with you procrastinate. That's all. Yeah, right. Ain't saying, don't get the idea that I'm applying fatalism, but I'm saying I do believe this, that there's lag in leeway, in the destiny of things. There's a clockwork. It's like Richard Bucky said when he had the experience of cosmic consciousness, he realized that the world was running with perfection. He was imperfect only. This is what you experiencing in cosmic consciousness. You see the perfection of all things except yourself, and you see that his sight previously had been imperfect. He saw everything is erroneous and haphazard and evil and terrible, and only when you see that the overall thing, everything is taken care of, including your own immortality.

Speaker 4

dm1-20:11

And once you see that, then you don't need to heal anybody.

Speaker 1

dm1-20:14

Right? Right. See, that's the idea. But all of this goes, why did they do this? Why did Christ go out and heal people? He was dealing with very illiterate people, very crude murder type of people, perhaps leg war with the Romans or whatever, and they weren't interested too much anymore. The people today are interested in it, so he's got attractive tension to his ministry or whatever. He's offering the public, and he has to get these thoughts in the minds of people. In other words, this is the idea of awakening the sleepers. You're good and you're dealing with a million or 200 million sleepers and you try to wait 200. See? But to do it, you've got to put an ad in the paper, a poster on a billboard, give a lecture or heal somebody. That was the ad papers in those days. The newspapers in those days were word of mouth.

dm1-21:14

Oh, did you know there's a healer coming to town? What town over there? Okay, let's all go over there and see what, see if we can to come over here, say, well, while he's heal somebody, he puts out his dogma, he puts out his message, whatever. It's, and this was the history. If you check this and say in your readings, you'll find this all through Asia. Other times these people tramp from town to town, or they went and settled the town and stared at the wall for four or five years and somebody come up and say, what are you staring at the wall for? But there was always a mundane return, downward return of mundane energy, exerting mundane energy to attract mundane, selfish attentions, hoping to turn the selfish attention into a realization of why you're selfish, who's selfish, who sees the guy talking about selfishness, see all this sort of thing.

dm1-22:08

But then there's an automatic lifting up after that party sees that, so you get somebody you get for some reason. Now here we get into cosmos reasons to why we're here in this dream in the first place, all damn foolish. It's not for me to answer that. I don't know why. What else would we even do? If I had any choice, maybe I would've come. I don't know. Maybe I would've, but I don't know that. I don't know that. Right. See, but I do know that you can contact this other dimension, and it's synonymous with the unmanifested mind. It's synonymous with the manifested mind in lower phenomenon, the unmanifested mind projects, the creation, the unmanifested mind in looking back from it, you can cause things to happen the same as things. Everything that's caused to happen here comes from that manifested, manifested mind.

Speaker 4

dm1-23:10

Could you get into that, what you said about after death, bardos the people. I've been prepared for that.

Speaker 1

dm1-23:17

Well, I will someday. I think You want me to go?

Speaker 4

dm1-23:33

What do you want me to say? What do you want me to say? In other words, how would you, it's a light over there. How would you prepare yourself for that? If you felt you

Speaker 1

dm1-23:44

Were going to die or something, how would you, I mean, I'm not worried about right now, you can't prepare yourself except with conviction. That's the only thing we'll prepare. You can't say, you see the Tipton Book of the Dead says, do this, say this prayer. Remind yourself this is a dream, et cetera. No, no. You're not going to believe that. You're going to say, Hey, everything. I don't know what the hell is going to happen. When you get close and they walk up to you and say, Hey, you got two hours to live, or three hours to live, you're going to go bananas. That's all just bananas

Speaker 2

dm1-24:20

Laughing about that, Paul.

Speaker 3

dm1-24:23

It's been there.

Speaker 4

dm1-24:26

I sure have bananas, bananas, coconuts, and any other goddamn thing you wanted.

Speaker 3

dm1-24:38

Listen to George Burn, right, Rocky Road to Dublin, rock and Pebble.

Speaker 4

dm1-24:49

My definition is the individual is aware of himself in varying degrees, and the highest degree in which awareness can be two is a point of total oneness or absolute being. The individual is lost at the achievement of this state, and all personality traits are extinguished. The level at which we function as human beings is one of perceiving illusions of mutual belief states or a paradigm.

Speaker 1

dm1-25:19

Oh, I just want you lock it. Yeah, lock it. Yeah. That to fall down on somebody's head, go ahead

Speaker 4

dm1-25:24

And acting upon the paradigm. We act upon the paradigms through precondition ways, either by society or genetic implants or as well as we have desires and ego attachments, and this is how we get through life. We act upon that. The direct mind ability is the power of tapping into the higher awareness beyond our present paradigm and infecting changes in that paradigm. Now, the ability to apply that direct mind relates back to the ability to reach that awareness. And that would be basically what path you're following and how successful you are getting to it, which would be whichever method you need.

Speaker 1

dm1-26:11

Well, I think it's good we've done this because this does bring out That's a very good approach. So you're coming in with a slightly different angle, but it's the same. It's the same thing.

Speaker 4

dm1-26:26

You have to get to a point of seeing the illusion before and that point,

Speaker 2

dm1-26:31

I think there's a question as to how you see this. I think it has to do with some sensitivity that people have, whether given to them by their lifestyle or by a natural thing. Okay. There may be this higher dimension, and we can talk about it logically, but what is it inside of you that makes the trip? How do you contact this? Is there a bridge or something? I mean, I think it's sensitivity. I think one guy I read talked about the way of the heart. You don't pick up things logically. It's like from the heart, this, this feeling of these things come to you, and if you don't, he said, if obviously you follow your logical mind, you're trying to decide that way. You block out all this information. And he said, if you follow your heart, that's all he said. That doesn't really say it, but I think maybe we could ask some questions anybody had in their definitions of what is it that takes one to contact the higher mind?

dm1-27:32

How do you contact the higher mind? Is it just pushing thoughts out? Like Larry was talking about how when Campbell and him very res, and Paul Campbell did an experiment here where they said they would send a message and he was talking about it today over there, and he was saying something about he sat there and he said it was like he was waiting for something to drop in his head. And he said other thing, I don't know how to explain, he's not here to say it, but he said something like everything else was leaving his mind and something would drop in. It was just like a feeling. He'd get a feeling. Campbell was thinking about sending him a message about a rubber round ball, a red ball or something, and he actually got the picture of a circle, and he came down the next day and he said, what did you get? And he said, he got a circle. He said, I was projecting red a ball, round ball.

Speaker 1

dm1-28:21

Well, how does that relate there, director? See, we were approaching that before you remember. See, this is ESP. This is ESP, and you can have somebody that's very good, very excellent at ESP, and yet have no intuition, right?

Speaker 2

dm1-28:40

Oh, well, what's the difference then?

Speaker 1 dm1-28:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm1-28:43

Oh, well, then I'm misunderstanding. What's the difference then?

Speaker 1

dm1-28:46

Well, that's what you got to know. What's the difference? That's

Speaker 2

dm1-28:48

Why I'm asking.

Speaker 1

dm1-28:49

I mean, the difference you're talking about too abstract. See, the thing is that ESP is a tenuous ability of the mind, which may be somatic. It's a somatic mind. In other words, you have intuitions, but everybody's got intuitions. But why don't everybody have the same convictions? Is because they don't really have a perfected intuition. They got as perfect as they. No, but if a person thinks, well, I got a feeling I should join the Marines. My intuition is that I'll be successful. Or maybe he's got some idea of glamour. He'll meet some girl, see him in his uniform or whatever. But these intuitions may be the biggest part of, or a subject to egos and appetites in the human body.

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Speaker 1

dm2-00:01

They can always tell which beer joint he's in, but they can't tell which much stock to play on the stock market. Just almost this is tied. You get what I'm talking about is tied to some mundane ego, but yet it works out a tremendous anxiety. That tremendous anxiety sometimes though it brings about the death experience too, which will bring you to higher mind. But that's only after those A egos are gone. But ESP is something that you can practice but only it'll be limited to some extent. It is a higher mind type of operation. It it's telepathy. In other words, it's like, let's say a mental tensity again

dm2-00:47

Toing a table. It looks like direct mind but it isn't. They got ectoplasmic cantilever rod that they discovered its shape even by using a simple piece of cardboard like this and put it under the table in different places. Moved to the about until the table had dropped. And by continuum a whole bunch of series of these tests, they found out exactly which way the ectoplasmic rod went down out of the medium's belly and formed an angle and went up under the very center of the table and have picked its intelligent, seem to have its own intelligence to pick the very center of that table to lift it straight up in the air. Now that's physical, but somebody think that's direct mind it. There are a lot of things that people can do. There's an energy that you can heal people with. Now see, here's the difference.

dm2-01:34

I maintain maintaining that Christ healed people with physical energy that's called zapping. They actually project my intense sympathy and desire. A nurse can do it in the hospital, nurses are told, don't be sympathetic towards your patients because you'll get sick. They'll get better. See, that's the transfer of energy. See? So that's healing. See, that's Zapp. Direct mind healing has no loss of energy. And I mentioned this in one of several of my lectures about talking to a fellow in Steubenville about Olga Wars and Ambrose Wars. There were two healers out of Baltimore. Ambrose is dead. His wife's still running around giving some lectures. But I talked to this guy, met her, met him personally. I'd never met og and I said, I got a feeling that they use some type of healing. It wasn't the say conventional type of healing that you see where people laying their hands on other people and they're taking their energy and getting better and that sort of thing.

dm2-02:41

And he said, oh absolutely. And I thought he didn't know anything about his run old machine shop there and he read too many books, so maybe he doesn't understand. Dave was there and was talking to him and he said, absolutely. He said, there's no need to lose energy in healing, but you have to be able to somehow tap that. You have to be able to somehow use it. Let's put it that way. Now, and these are bad. Both words are bad because you don't use it. You don't use it, and yet you direct it because it is like saying that you would use the ocean to propel a boat. The ocean is going to stay right where it's at and it's not going to lose any power because the boat went through it using the wind to move a sailboat. In other words, the direct mind when it's working is an effortless thing. And your corresponds to an old Cabalistic law that I understand it to have emanated it from cable ballistic origins. Has anybody heard this? See, find, let Levi, this is one of the reasons I used to put these books up for sale so you guys could read this. You get these little hints from the books.

Speaker 2

dm2-04:06

Little imagination

Speaker 1

dm2-04:07

Of fiat, right? Right. See other words? You have to conceive. You have to conceive what you want. Then you have to will it and you have to say it and forget it. They didn't say that, but you have to forget it. I forget it. I mean it must not be important enough to try to remember,

Speaker 3

dm2-04:31

And this is to bring about the direct mind. I mean that's what happens just because a person has the ability to reach to the higher awareness or to, he's not in charge through the illusion or something. It doesn't mean that he can affect direct mind,

Speaker 1

dm2-04:46

Right? He's not in charge of anything. He's not, you're still a unit that's all and helpless unit to many extents. But you are able, like I said, it's a degree of, it's just like we go out here, generations of farmers pull the trees out and plant grain and change and change the field, the appearance of the field that there's a limit to what they're allowed to do in a lifetime. See, or many lifetimes, you do a lot see, but there's a limit. And if they try to go beyond that, it is the story of the old guy that dropped dead plowing. You try to push beyond it, you drop dead. And the same way with this, the actual use of it is nothing more than, like I said, it's a demonstration to perhaps encourage somebody else to look for their higher mind. This is the most valuable part about it. It's not that you're going to turn this into a commodity at all.

Speaker 3

dm2-05:54

So really the only value of human life is to help other people on the ladder. The law

Speaker 1

dm2-06:00

Of the ladder. This is a law. It isn't that it's a value. It's like

Speaker 3

dm2-06:07

It's a reciprocating

Speaker 1

dm2-06:08

Process. Right, right, right. There's 10 million minerals in the ocean that swim around and go nowhere and eventually get eaten by larger fish. 10 million mice get eaten by cats. But if the mice consolidate and say, here's how we can protect ourselves from the cats till we find out what the hell we are, then 10 out of 10 million survives long enough to find out who they are. Cat. Yeah, right. You say cat. Well, that's basically biller's girlfriend came down and was looking at Tasha and she said, oh, what a pretty little girl or something like that. And I said, yes, that's beautiful food for the entities. It shocked her.

Speaker 3

dm2-07:05

See's been bothering you yet later though? Oh no. See, it was for you. That was your benefit.

Speaker 4

dm2-07:16

No,

Speaker 5

dm2-07:18

I never

Speaker 4

dm2-07:18

Really don

Speaker 2

dm2-07:22

Mr. Rose. Would you consider it as being a technique to be able to work in that dimension? Oh

Speaker 1

dm2-07:28

Yes, yes. It's the way you hold your head. It's the way you hold your head. And this is, and it's not too complex, but at the same time, it's not easy. Once you learn, you learn

Speaker 2

dm2-07:47

How to do it. It seems if you're going to develop a technique to will something and then forget it, that if you bring it into being that that's going to make you remember the next time you notice you're like a hale,

Speaker 1

dm2-07:59

The reason for the forgetting, it ain't necessarily forgetting. It's more or less ignoring it, walk away from it because when you, as soon as you pause anything, you immediately negate it and you don't linger with that negation. In other words, when you say, I want this and you want it intensely, I want it. See, then immediately you believe in the opposite you create, a lot of forces are set in action with repetitious hunger for it. That will create the opposite, meaning neutralize your own objective. So that's what we talk about between us. There's a way that you have to hold your head in between and we say between what? Don't ask me because there is no what. See, there's two. Whats two? Whats I think you understand what I'm saying. To give you an example, the best way I can tell you is to give you an example.

dm2-09:01

The first time it happened was with Frank's wife and I was sitting in the room with her and I saw she had a headache and I thought if I go over there and put my hand on her head, I can cure a headache. So I went over, you see what I mean? And I didn't even believe that I didn't do it. I didn't even believe belief isn't necessary. It was the idea that I thought, hey, maybe this will work. See? And then when I went over and put my hand on her head, I thought it had the impulse to pull the headache out and that was what happened. So since then I've been doing it to hundreds of people at Arch Tacos. Ours wants, oh, I thought you were part of the coup.

Speaker 6

dm2-09:50

You say you put your hand on her head, huh? Yeah. Well I've been doing that lately. Just headaches and muscle spasms and they say, my hands get like heating pads real hot. Sometimes you take the energy out, my hands will get cranked up, but I just put my mind in a state of deep meditation. You will. It just moves it all the hands just stay there mind completely state of nothing that's empty. Got to quit doing it in the men's restroom though, remember? Tell me about that. It surprised me though. I had somebody here the other day that had a migraine headache and they didn't believe it. I kept the migraine just stopped. Oh yeah. Well of course right now, see, right now today I'm in my bio rhythms way down. I way down the intellectual low.

Speaker 1

dm2-10:54

Yeah, I remember you telling me about that before. That's what you was telling me about before. You put your hands on some before,

Speaker 6

dm2-11:00

But they said the hands get like heat pad. See Yeah,

Speaker 1

dm2-11:02

Again,

Speaker 6

dm2-11:03

But what I do, I concentrate. It is the same state you reached. When you go real deep beyond the mind and the body state of just, it's the same state. Only the truth of the matter is that there seems to be an energy there, like it's tuned into the universal mind or the universal force or whatever that pervades everything within and

Speaker 1

dm2-11:29

Without, well, that's the, I think what you did see. You put it as a result of an impulse. And that's exactly what I did. I mean, I had no logical reason. I took own training for it. I

Speaker 6

dm2-11:39

Didn't believe it. I thought it was much in nonsense. It just happened. But it happened so many times with so many people here lately that I noted. And the people that this one person who as I say came with the migraine, is just like that. And an interesting thing was with this young girl that I keep rubbing her back out. She has spastic muscle spastic. I had a chiropractor friend of mine who taught me had adjust, adjust back. I used to adjust his back and just mine. Anyway, I heard back was so messed up. I put my hands on there before I adjust. See, I don't run those spasms out and you got to go with your fingers. See, and I would put my hands down the spine as processes, see where the distortion is in the vertebra adjustment. Ver see just like the chiropractors do. But I just was about ready to give up. I said, oh no, I knew it was going to take a tremendous amount of rubbing to get all that out. I had to really rub it and everything and I had to go over. So I just put my hands on there and concentrated and put my mind at stake. And they heated up. She said, oh, they're getting real hot.

dm2-13:03

Can't it? Damn thing was all loose. Those muscle spasms are out of there. And what the hell is this?

Speaker 1

dm2-13:21

Looks like it's curly photography. There's

Speaker 6

dm2-13:28

So much we don't know. I think it must go on into the,

Speaker 1

dm2-13:32

They're right inside that box on the left. You can just reach down and get a couple of pass it over.

Speaker 4

dm2-13:43

That's good. Hey, will be here pretty

Speaker 3

dm2-13:50

Soon. Let's know when it's going to be dark

Speaker 1

dm2-13:59

The way ride. But Dave, how about you giving us what you're doing? Dave Gold

Speaker 4

dm2-14:16

Get mad at, I have the direct mind being attunement, which which is projecting everything attunement with a manifested mind, a manifesting mind, and the development of the metal powers which accompany that mine and also the transmission, the fact that direct mine also being the directing mine, transmitting mine of getting in between the scenery and changing the projections in the manifested mine. As far as the development, I have development being an attunement with the manifesting mind and the type of life most conducive to developing between us, which in turn I set with a light of the intense paradoxes, meaning you have to have tremendous effort along with tremendous detachment and you have to have some way that you could push your logical mind in the limits and at the same time, detach yourself totally from the logical mind to free yourself from the logical mind and also the removal of distractions.

dm2-15:18

Hey Dave, what was that your first definition? I couldn't hear that too much. The attunement with that, which is projecting the attunement, that which is the projection projecting or the projection. There was a question I was going to throw out that came up when we were discussing this with the speakers trying to figure out, and I think there's a lot of confusion in the group about it, and that's how this fits in with, to hear some ideas about how this fits in with the rest of the teachings, how this fits in with the algen system and with the psychology, the observer, whether this is something, this is just totally new or whether this is something that,

Speaker 1

dm2-15:57

But see one thing about it though, that has to be defined. This is a catch. I mean, once you get into the word, I used it a minute ago, the manifested mind manifested mind. When you get into that, immediately you have to define it. Yeah, what's the manifest? Because define it. I mean not only in terms of just word definition, but it more or less demonstrate. See, in other words, how do you demonstrate it? Well, again, you got to go back to other people's writings on it. Mary Baker Reddy, Mary Baker Reddy is to me is one of the outstanding exponents of the work of the manifesting mind upon this dimension. We're in the mundane dimension. See, that's the basis of Christian science is the ability to change this dimension, which is not too real by mind power. And she's not talking about the relative mind. She's talking about changing, actually changing this drama picture show

Speaker 4

dm2-17:12

Is Quimbee coming from the same position then?

Speaker 5

dm2-17:15

I don't know too much about qui. I was reading something about him recently. His idea was that the trick he used to convince the people he's trying to heal anyway, his argument was that God was all perfect, therefore everything he created was perfect. Therefore, illness is imaginary, imaginary projection of your imperfect mind. And if he was dealing with the people that believed in the perfection of God, the logic of that would cause them their mind to maybe go into a betweenness where they would believe the disease wasn't real.

Speaker 1

dm2-17:50

The difficulty that that is though, that he, while let's say pious leading them, he's leading them with a lie. And the result is that those people can never really know what happens. See, it may happen accidentally as a result of their posture. Number one is God remains undefined and the undefined God gets the blame for everything that happens. Now, it isn't the imagination of people. This projection, this dream, this show is as real as anything you'll know until you know something better. And after you know something better, after you're dead or after you transcend it and look back, this is still real. This is still very real. This is real as a picture show. Okay,

Speaker 3

dm2-18:45

Then you act this person, act in both dimensions then, or it's by choice. No,

Speaker 1

dm2-18:50

Well, no. Your sympathies, for instance, when you die and you have any consciousness of your relatives, these relatives, seemingly illusory will still be a focus of your attention until you don't need them. That's all until you, and I don't know when that would ever come about, that you don't need context of the human context.

Speaker 3

dm2-19:24

The fact that an individual does not know who he is or does not have an understanding of his own awareness, and he attaches the people around him and his relatives and the loved ones and the people that he is living with, he attaches himself to those people. That means that he, yeah, his whole life is not one of defining himself, but more of being aware of other people. So when those other people are taken from him, he is left with nothing,

Speaker 1

dm2-20:01

Even though those people become very delivered from, they're deeply steeped in the illusion. But you see, the thing you remember about this thing at Quimbee said is that like George Blazer said, we're all in this together. In other words, we all believe that you're supposed to go out and make a nickel for Kroger's. We all believe that you're supposed to not hurt your fellow man and all this sort of thing. There's a whole lot of stuff. We all believe that the sky is there and the sun rises and sets. And because of this isn't, you can't take one person in by healing, by saying that your imagination is causing this. The only thing Quibi could say in all honesty is God's imagination. If he really believed God,

Speaker 5

dm2-20:51

He didn't say imagination caused

Speaker 1

dm2-20:52

It, he just err. He didn't know what caused it. Erratic thinking. Yeah, fact, the blame is placed upon. See, this is the thing that Warner Earhart blames the individual. Scientology blames the individual. Christianity blames the individual. You're a sinner. Krishna Krish knight. Blame the individual. To me, this is nonsense. We're all stuck with the same paradigm. Paradigm. Now, you can't cure are one person. What I said by telling them the guy that he is imagining something wrong. This is not telling him the truth. Just go. And I sat outside talking to a while ago about our group and the thing that the reason that we're not very popular is because we don't have any collective dog. And of course, that's the only reason. You guys are still here though after 10 years, that we don't have any collective dog. In other words, you can't trade one paradigm for another hypnotic self, hypnotic belief. See, this is the catch.

dm2-22:00

You can't just brush it aside by saying, God, no, I no consciousness. I had no consciousness. Sure I have consciousness of being God, but that doesn't have consciousness of you being God too. See, but you're not conscious of being God. God, you want to use the word I don't use the word. I use the word absolutely, but I think that this is the, but the thing that I don't know, even though I had this experience was what the hell is God doing down here in this illusion? In other words, why project somebody down here for him to discover who he really is? Millions, millions of people. Millions of so-called drops in the ocean. See, and a struggle to find your way back to the simplicity through complexity of the simplicity.

Speaker 3

dm2-22:50

I just wonder if there is an int intelligible reason.

Speaker 1

dm2-22:55

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3

dm2-22:56

Yes.

Speaker 5

dm2-22:57

Yeah, there is. Yeah. Do you think it's knowable

Speaker 1

dm2-23:03

A hell of a game? Well, I think it's even conceivable. I wouldn't want you to take it as the truth, but they get back to the cabal. But very strange little translation of the new Old Testament genesis and the way Anderson was translated was that the elo, him became lonesome or God became lonesome. And so they created a trough for their pleasure. That was the idea. It was the creation. It created a scheme of the trough for their pleasure. And in other words, they dichotomized themselves or or it dichotomized itself. See here again, when you transcend this dimension and you go beyond the unmanifested mind into pure absolute reality, you may not be absolute reality as much as be traveling there sort of naked without a body dimension where the absolute is the dimension. That's the reason. I don't like to use the word God because you could be traveling there without it and be in contact with everything in this dimension. But I wasn't in contact with everything in the absolute dimension. I knew nothing about the absolute dimension except that everything I conceived was I could conceive it from that dimension, this whole picture. See, I could see it, understand it, but in other words, the absolute can be a dimension or it can be an entity.

Speaker 6

dm2-24:51

Maybe there's many different dimensions,

Speaker 1

dm2-24:53

Right? Right. So that's what I say, there's all you can do is all you can do is be prepared. That's all that you're going to

Speaker 6

dm2-25:01

That theory about we're entering this aquarion or this electrical age now over a couple hundred years into it, we have to go into the middle age and well, yeah, the golden age. And it's repeating itself from the time of the land. It's supposedly won't enter the golden age for another 7,000 years. And a man is just coming out of the dark ages. So every time there seemed to be certain evolved people that had Christ consciousness like Christ or the Buddha. But now it seems like these things were becoming more widespread. This universal force or this universal mind.

Speaker 1

dm2-25:39

I don't know. I don't know per population, George, whether we've got more or not, because of course there was no way for us to record the men that they had then. But I do say that I think they're inversely proportional to our high technological society.

Speaker 6

dm2-25:53

Things are happening today. I mean, a lot of this stuff on the market, I guess there's nothing but hypnosis, commercialism, but

Speaker 1

dm2-26:02

I think they were happening. We had waves of this before all us up the world, Europe was,

Speaker 6

dm2-26:08

But there were just fewer people that the time wasn't ripe and the people that knew didn't let it out. I'm inclined to think the opposite is true though, that

Speaker 5

dm2-26:15

People are fairly worse today than better. It does seem there's too many

Speaker 6

dm2-26:22

More actions that have been developed. It's like there's

Speaker 1

dm2-26:26

Absolute ignorance lying alongside all this knowledge. Well, it's just like what's the great trend today is the epitomizing figure is Billy Graham and Billy Graham gets up there and I heard two or three of 'em saying, God wants us to do this. How in the hell does he know He, I mean, he's talking about a personal being. I talked to him. Why I say he's a liar. I say he's a living liar because if he did know, I'd like to know some details. I'd like to have that man produce some details. He had a conversation with God. What'd God say? Did they talk about the stock market? But that's why most people, or is Billy Graham so astute that God's making a mistake. He made a mistake back here about 10, 20 years ago when we got the atomic bomb. He was asleep while we was making the bomb. See, there's so many. It is irregular as hell. These guys who are so quick to throw out the word God,

Speaker 6

dm2-27:34

But all a lot of people can understand. Primitive man wanted to, so many, our fathers, so many Hail Marys, he wanted to sure away to heaven. They

Speaker 1

dm2-27:42

Still doing that. He's doing that. You get 10%.

Speaker 6

dm2-27:44

But there's a lot of people that didn't comprehend anything. Even different religions like Hinduism always had different things for different people. They had BTI yoga like the Christmas used for Catholic devotion, and they had what? Mosia was a higher type of yoga similar to Zen or Satori or the Buddhists had, there was different things for different people. Some people,

Speaker 1

dm2-28:10

Well, thing we're saying is he says, we haven't move too much further. We haven't moved too much further. The salami Sec made that point. I think very clearly. They blame it on a guy named Cal, but they said, we were put here. This is put in jail and all efforts are made. As soon as you come up with a religion, a true, an honest person. Christ is an honest man, but as soon as he dies, all the disciples got to fighting over the territory, over the take.

Speaker 6

dm2-28:45

Oh, you mean you don't think we've moved, but to get beyond the human condition of greed and possibility and selfishness, and it's the same thing. Well, yeah. We're entering now a period of like Orwell's, 1984. 84 or Player Ana by Kurt. I mean the whole system seems like the government's taking over

Speaker 1

dm2-29:04

Control mines. Yeah. It ain't the government. It is just that you're not, every time there's a mass movement, there's another old saying, the node to there to do, to be silent node. To dare to doing, to be silent. Because you can't say there's only so many allowed on the ark. You got to sneak out. Sneak out. That's what gird you talking about the slimes. You get any great crusade, any great revival thing where people start to albigensians is a classic example of a whole group of people that once they showed that they had a real power.

Speaker 6

dm2-29:44

Well, people are scared of that,

Speaker 1

dm2-29:45

Right? The wasn't the massacre.

Speaker 6

dm2-29:49

Mysticism is a system where people get together, who, one thing they have in common is that they just can't seem to get along with the overall society. George said

Speaker 1

dm2-29:59

They can't or can't. They're outmaneuvered. You got somebody, we're hanging by springs and somebody's pulling the damn springs. We're not doing anything. So they get together. They have more a democratic system where there's more, the system out there

Speaker 6

dm2-30:13

Is all power related democratic system. Isn.

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Speaker 1

dm5-00:00

Confused that with love. Yeah. He said sentimentality is one. Like, oh, whatever. He said, the other one is obligation. I owe him or I owe her.

Speaker 2

dm5-00:10

That's what always said. One time, you got a duty. I said, don't give me that crap. I have no duties.

Speaker 1

dm5-00:15

And the third one he said was fear. Fear of what will be being without that person or fear of what that person will do in retaliation is most likely. Okay. So he said, if you're involved with the second vampire, he said, there's only one defense. He said, there's only one. He said, you walk away and like Locke's wife, you don't look back and you keep on walking. He said, because that person's going to come after you because you're there. You know,

Speaker 2

dm5-00:43

Read the story in journal about the witch. That was a case of a 17-year-old girl came to my house. It was in one of the first journals here. I don't know if I have that one. She came to my house 17 years old and she sat right where I'm sitting here now, and I saw her head coming apart right here, and I can see this wall in the cracks, like a jinx little puzzle popped. My intuition tells me she'd take on hundreds of men. She just looked like a virgin. She had a beautiful complexion. Just looked like a little Sure.

Speaker 1

dm5-01:12

They were feeding her. Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm5-01:13

Right, right.

Speaker 3

dm5-01:15

My intuition tells me that in this work, we stay away from two areas, the spiritualists and the witches. I know. I just get, I know

Speaker 1

dm5-01:25

Because I'm not afraid of most things, but I won't hear

Speaker 3

dm5-01:27

That. That was a sign of Aquarius Bookstore. I just walked

Speaker 1

dm5-01:31

Into

Speaker 3

dm5-01:31

The place

Speaker 1

dm5-01:32

And

Speaker 3

dm5-01:33

One time, one time, and the hair on the back of my damn neck started to rise.

Speaker 1

dm5-01:38

Really? I thought that was a wonderful place

Speaker 3

dm5-01:41

Mike White used, say he got drained in there by those two people too. No old to him. I didn't even talk to, I just walked. Really? Here's in the back of my neck, started to prickle up. Creepy

Speaker 2

dm5-01:51

Going on. And in the back room, they have meetings there then that could happen. Every town has, we found one of mag there anymore.

Speaker 1

dm5-02:01

I was going to buy a book cards there, but for some reason I haven't made it the back there. Now I'm glad there's probably something, anything coming out of there.

Speaker 3

dm5-02:09

And I read that one Susie Smith book and it just kept on popping. This thought kept on popping further and further. I get into the book, I get to the end of the book and I say, brother, stay the hell away from those people.

Speaker 2

dm5-02:25

I think that you're, you're man is pretty comprehensive about his categorization. I do believe that there are some people who either give or take,

Speaker 1

dm5-02:36

Well, he said that there are the few, the very few. He says less than 1% that can rise above all that. Now those would be those who have direct mind matter.

Speaker 2

dm5-02:44

Doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter at all because I know that I'm catching, I'm catching myself on giving. I have to be very terrible by giving because it's my nature because that's what I say. That's the reason I don't mind acting up because I'm, and I know what,

Speaker 1

dm5-03:02

When you first came, the first time I ever saw you, Mr. Rosa was in, I guess 1979, I think. Yeah, it was 1979 when I first saw you and you were speaking and everything. In my impression of you, this is the first time I ever saw you ever had my impression of I was, this man really doesn't give a shit. I thought he's standing up here and he doesn't care if anybody's paying attention or not. And then I started paying attention to that, to the fact that you were projecting this, that you didn't care. So I started really focusing on that. What was that about? And I said, no, there's something here that I'm picking up on, but it's something good. And then I thought it was that you were up there and you didn't need to brainwash anybody or sell anybody or convert anybody that you were not out there to hook us.

Speaker 2

dm5-03:52

And

Speaker 1

dm5-03:52

Then I said, said, I'm going to hang out and start.

Speaker 2

dm5-03:57

Of course I do that. I know that I am not going to go up there and apologize for being there.

Speaker 1

dm5-04:02

But there was something about it that struck me at first. It was like, huh? And then it was something about it. After I got over my initial values about how somebody should be, something inside of me thought that there was recognized something really good. And I didn't know what it was, but I kept hanging out.

Speaker 2

dm5-04:19

Yeah. I was kind of surprised. I had a girl from Pittsburgh. She worked at the Western psych. You remember Janice Henry? No. Jan came to Duque University, a lecture I gave, and she said, she was kind of cynical with me. She said she wanted to get into a confrontation group. She had a master's degree in, I think it was psychology and another degree in something else. Her original degree was on something else. Then

Speaker 1

dm5-04:48

She's obviously researching.

Speaker 2

dm5-04:50

She was working. She's one of'em. I told to get out the institution. They had those girls. She was one of all, the staff sat around in the circle. The women all sat around the circle masturbated together. They literally did. That reminds me of 10-year-old kids. Yeah, yeah. What they were doing this because to liberate themselves, they were liberating themselves from the sexual pressures or I don't know what the hell they were doing, but I mentioned in a lecture at the Theos is that in Pittsburgh, as this is a degree of contamination we've gone to in this country where the institutions that are supposed to liberate people and could do it by conserving their energy or teaching themselves to dissipate their energy. They've got nothing left to heal people with. They won't have any intuition to do anything with this going up there and masturbating with the idiots. Anyhow, she came in to do

Speaker 1

dm5-05:37

Masturbation. Iss just as bad as anything else isn't mean. Whether

Speaker 2

dm5-05:40

It has its own, each type of section.

Speaker 1

dm5-05:44

You said that the entities that look to get the energy from an alcoholic or just looking at, there's

Speaker 2

dm5-05:49

Different types and they have different purposes. But anyhow, somebody told her, we had confrontation groups where we'd shake up people's heads and she wanted to get in on it, but that was when I wasn't there. But this one time I come up every couple of weeks I'd go up to the meetings and she came in and I said, well, she said, people were asking me questions and I was answering, and she says, aren't we going to have a confrontation session here today? And I said, well, generally when I come up here, I said, I preempt The time was bullshiting and answering questions. And I remember this guy there, the name of green I've never seen, he says much after his father died just shortly after died. And I never saw him after his father died. No, his father died right before the meeting. That was John. What happened to that meeting? That used to come to our meetings, his name still. And he was an older man, or Louis or something, a Jewish guy. He was asking the question, whatever happened to him, he's still around. We just haven't had any public meetings along. Why don't you take a see what you want? He said, Hey, I don't. He said, I come up here,

Speaker 3

dm5-07:00

We'll get in touch with him again.

Speaker 2

dm5-07:03

Couldn't get one. You confrontation said, I'll leave if I'm the one that's bother you. Something about him, me off, not about him. She came to the next meeting, something that's going on. University. Pittsburgh didn't quite know how disturbing him something was,

Speaker 3

dm5-07:18

It's weird for a 50-year-old guy to suddenly get into philosophy. Something must have bother him in his life.

Speaker 2

dm5-07:29

Why? Give him a call and ask him. She came down and she sat there. One of the remarks she made, she says, I want to be a therapist. People up there. She was looking up the end of the table, the other end of the table where they're looking down in their noses at us down on this end of the table. And well, I thought it was pretty true. We did. We had some guys who just sit there and pon this way. I'd rather protect myself. I'm getting into That's more, you think there's something very

Speaker 1

dm5-07:58

Sick with, no, not Kim himself, Colonel

Speaker 2

dm5-08:02

Hogan's heroes. But

Speaker 1

dm5-08:03

There's something in his life or there's something that's happened. I don't know what she

Speaker 2

dm5-08:08

Said. Mr. Rose, I got to talk to you. I don't know what it is. And until I know and I said, well go ahead and talk. I didn't once. I know maybe it be so private fun. Go ahead and talk. She said, no, I want to talk to you privately. Somebody that I don't want get too close to. I said, what do you want to talk about his badge? I want to talk about my mind fucked up. I think about him. Why we have to be that funny matters to me. I noticed he sad. The guy sitting there thought she wanted hit her course. I mean, that's what went through their head. She's throwing the word out. She's going to be an easy mate. We'll be

Speaker 3

dm5-08:42

In touch with him pretty soon.

Speaker 2

dm5-08:44

Said, you want to talk to me? We get down to the win here, getting flyers and we'll get a tape. Oh yeah, 20 guys. We'll be calling him too. So I went down and sit there and talked to her. She'd already bought the book. You came. She took it. That was back when it was in Graph Inc. 11 graph. And she said, I came to that meeting. She says, I didn't particularly like you. I didn't particularly, I wonder what the heck we were doing.

Speaker 1

dm5-09:13

You were beyond my life, Lord. Discussion. Thank you. You know what I mean? You recognize exactly what I meant. It was beyond where I decided to chuck all that personal and

Speaker 2

dm5-09:31

Cult of the personality. Yeah. Oh. I never conceived myself having a personality. Cause I figured I've had people take pictures of me. I'd be talking, I'd say, Jesus, see, got talking like I'm making those faces. I'd get up and leave. But anyhow, she told me, we going down there and I said, what's your problem? And she says, all my friends are leaving me. She says, I'm driving everybody away from me. So I was curious. I was curious about it. I said, so why don't you, evidently it's going require some, a lot of talking going back in your past. When did this start? Is there something? And really think I got finally got to the bottom of what it was, and I'm talking about therapy. I'll tell you one of the things I did.

dm5-10:32

I tried everything and I couldn't, she didn't seem to remember anything. I, on some photographs, she told her this story. I told her to bring all the photographs. She had her chop. But in the meantime, I tried to get her drunk because I think I thought she beans. So I would've down and invested for 20 bucks in a couple of bars. Re blue Wild Turkey. 1 0 1. Oh, wild Turkey. So she's sitting there in my kitchen and she's drinking. She's drinking this stuff. And what do I get instead? Syndicating psychology. I get the fact that she now has become a musician and I've got to hear her tapes. She goes and get these tapes of this song that she has written, and she thinks it'll be a big hit. And she's drinking this booze now, and she's playing these tapes. And the song is, what Do you know? And Negro Accent the song. Here we are sitting in the middle of the road. What do you know? Here we are sitting in the middle of the road. One it told me, oh, there was a message there repeated over and over. She was in the middle of the road. No, see. And so I didn't pay too much attention to it. And Debbie sch walked in.

dm5-11:49

So Debbie Schreiber sees the bottle sitting there, which is very unusual. I putting boots on the table. So she didn't know what was happening except she thought it was a celebration. See? So she hits the mind if I have a drink. I said, yeah, help yourself. And she drinks like a fish. So, oh, that destroyed it. Then she got to singing too. See? And then the two girls damn there got the fight when they thought they was making fun of each other. And Debbie gets another shot now because she has to get a little bit more mellow to put up with Janice. Jazz.

Speaker 1

dm5-12:22

I'm a happy drunk.

Speaker 2

dm5-12:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1

dm5-12:24

I don't like these really get, but

Speaker 2

dm5-12:25

Anyhow, Debbie got, Debbie went in the bathroom, and then it sounded like a horse falling. You ever heard the horse falling and it go to sleep on its feet fall? That's what hit the floor in the bathroom. See, I, oh my. Then the door was locked and I didn't know how to get in. Finally had to push the button off the door to get in there. And what had happened was she had fallen on the floor. She didn't knock her out.

Speaker 1

dm5-12:53

She didn't hit her

Speaker 2

dm5-12:54

Head. She couldn't get No, and she couldn't get up, but she had a vomit and she pulled herself over to the commode and pulled herself up on the commode. And she's hugging the commode, trying to puke. Least she did that much. Give her credit. Yeah. You remember Debbie? Does you? Yeah. She was the last person you'd ever think would,

Speaker 1

dm5-13:21

I've done it many of times.

Speaker 2

dm5-13:24

But this girl had, this girl had breasts under her armpits. She had a chicken breast like this, and her breast was under her armpits. And one of the things she'd say, she'd say, I hate my body. I hate my goddamn tits, and I

Speaker 1

dm5-13:41

Don't particularly like mine either.

Speaker 2

dm5-13:43

And she says,

Speaker 1

dm5-13:44

Somebody made an observation was he's never met a woman that was perfectly happy with her breasts, that all of them want to change something about their breast.

Speaker 2

dm5-13:53

Well, the first time I went over there, I could see that from Ron.

Speaker 1

dm5-14:04

Suzanne proved

Speaker 2

dm5-14:05

Wrong. But anyhow, I said to her, I said, why? When I was a little girl, I made a so oath that I was never going to, I was never going to have breasts. She says they grew anyhow. See? So what happened anyhow is that she stayed at my house. Must have been six months until I went out to Phoenix. Then she could have stayed with the girls. So she left. She couldn't stand the other girls. She'd get along pretty good with Debbie. But that was the only one. After that first night, huh? No, Debbie was living there. They was in the same room. But there was some other girls there that were kind of hypocritical. She didn't go for the hypocrisy. She's a very honest person. She was the only girl who ever came into the group that I felt close to. I mean, I had never had a sister, and I just really had developed a bond with her. Is this Janice talking? Yeah. I developed a bond with her and she was, I just can't explain it because there was an honesty there. There was just flat. That's what I was just say flat and abrupt. Boom. This is, yeah.

Speaker 3

dm5-15:25

She called a spade. A bird. Yeah. She said what she called a spade. Bur

Speaker 1

dm5-15:31

I don't get it. Ang. Oh, jigaboo. Here. I'm thinking you mean a spade?

Speaker 2

dm5-15:43

You got to get this terminology

Speaker 1

dm5-15:45

Really, really direct mind. I've decided that the ha Christians are direct. No mind after that film we saw last night.

Speaker 2

dm5-15:54

Oh, oh my. That's what I say. You understand why rant and raves sometimes about these things that destroy the ability of people to have a communication. Even the animals.

Speaker 1

dm5-16:04

You said today about that

Speaker 2

dm5-16:05

The animals are further ahead of us than we are

Speaker 1

dm5-16:07

That you knew that ran the Krishna place he was having with sex. And I thought about that film we saw last night. They're segregated, the sexes. These,

Speaker 2

dm5-16:14

Right? Yeah. But look at that little, that's what it's all about. That kid that the had up front and a picture of last night, and he scared to death. He's like, that's what he, those adults and the guy behind you, the guy behind you going smiling. Remember I kept saying you looked like an alligator. You looked like an alligator there. Stand behind you. I was scared. No, there was something about her, but she was a very strange person. I know.

Speaker 1

dm5-16:43

So what did it turn out to be? That she was driving all her friends away. She told to

Speaker 2

dm5-16:47

Fuck themselves anybody

Speaker 1

dm5-16:49

When they were being hit?

Speaker 2

dm5-16:50

No, not always. No, she didn't deter. She didn't discriminate between friendship. I think I was the only person that she didn't want to leave my foot. She told me she never wanted to leave my house. She was home. But we'd be sitting there at the kitchen table and one time talking about asr. And I don't have much patience with astrology because it's like a cookbook. You can grab one, say anything out of it you want, if you want to look far enough. And so she was saying, and I didn't know how to get across to her with a few words. So I concocted a whole thing, group, double talk about astrology. And I said, you know this. She was saying such and such a thing worked, and you could find the rising sign from the sun sign or something. And I said, this doesn't work because when the moon is in conjunction with Saturn, and Saturn is in opposite to so-and-so in the third house, and I'm rambled on for about five minutes, going double and bullshit. And she was reading it all the time. It's going through a computer. She said, this doesn't work. And finally she dawned on me double talk. She looked at me and she said, "You're a fucking fool."

dm5-18:02

And she got up from the table and she went in her room and that was the no room there in the house. And I hear her crying. So I went in and I went and put arm on her shoulder and I said, not intended. And she says, you shouldn't be coming in here. And she said, I'm the one that should come to you and apologize. I said, no, no, I said this. I'm teasing you. I said, I'm teasing you for a purpose. But I says, I know I'm teasing you. I said, you not hurt. But I never heard a human being cry like she cried. I thought there was a tremendous depth in there and a tremendous power that she was working under pressure, she was working under. And she just worked under somebody, like somebody that would hold her mouth shut and then leave loose and she'd blow.

dm5-18:52

She didn't solve. She just blow. She'd blow out a great big G of air and gasp. And then she seemed like she'd hold her breath again. She'd blow out another, again, it was a strange, almost like a convulsion type of thing. And it really touched me because I could see, I've seen a lot of women weep and you say, well, who knows what the cause of it is or what the game is. Sometimes it's a game. But this girl was suffering inside. But she did that several times and she didn't drive me away because I understood what was behind it. But other people didn't understand. I was, but that didn't let her off the hook. She had to realize that other people couldn't look over it. That was the whole point. So you

Speaker 1

dm5-19:38

Finally ended up happening with

Speaker 2

dm5-19:39

Her? She just left. I used to go out about every two years to visit the kids Arizona. And while I was gone, I left them in the house. When I come back, she was gone, which I suspected she was because she didn't like to, she'd tell everybody girls would be playing little games. One girl was leaving and they had a little party for, it was close to her birthday, and she'd go ahead to get back to her job up in Ohio and had some of the boys in from the farm. This girl went upstairs and took off, took her come back down in a pair of hot pants with no underwear on the one that was leaving. Yeah, the one that was her birthday was coming up and her name was Stanford. Stanford. And her hair was, she kept down little, like she was drunk. She drank a whole too. She slid off her chair down underneath the table, and she had these haw pans on and her pubic hair was sticking out each side of the pants. And Larry Ferrari was, you look like a chicken. Morning's. Not

Speaker 1

dm5-20:50

Here. I meant here, here.

Speaker 2

dm5-20:55

But Janice says, Hey lady Karen, not as drunk as she called her shots

Speaker 1

dm5-21:16

Saying You never heard from her After she left.

Speaker 2

dm5-21:19

Jack heard from her just the other day.

Speaker 1

dm5-21:21

I like to know whatever happened to me.

Speaker 2

dm5-21:22

Did you know?

Speaker 1

dm5-21:23

No, I just,

Speaker 2

dm5-21:25

Yeah, I thought she did. She wrote the same goal. That's her. Whatever happened to her. She wrote to Jake and said something of, what was it she, I think she asked him if she was a member. He wrote from books.

Speaker 1

dm5-21:46

Did she say what she was doing or anything?

Speaker 2

dm5-21:48

I didn't know. No. I just told him, I said, well, if you remember again, Jake told her. I said, hello.

Speaker 1

dm5-21:55

Nobody ever found out what became over.

Speaker 2

dm5-21:57

Well, she moved around. I mean, when she left here, we knew where she went. She over to New Jersey.

Speaker 1

dm5-22:05

Was she ever able to get some more peace or happiness or get herself

Speaker 2

dm5-22:09

Straight? I don't know. I never talked to her. She used to call me when she was was up in Pittsburgh. She had a strange way talking conversation. She would say Hello? And I say, hello, person. Busy silence. Five minutes. Well, I ain't kidding you. Two or three minutes. He goes by nose. Yeah. And I want to say, well, what are you doing? Well, I just wondered, what do you want? It's a painful, trying to get a message over the phone. She'd be the one I called. I thought it was, she called for a purpose, said, wait, what happened? Did your mother die? The stock market crash,

Speaker 3

dm5-23:04

Blow up the you rediscovered, you rede where Atlantis really is. Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm5-23:10

Really worth shaking Shit like that. Never didn't know, except she just, I knew too that what she wanted to do was call, but I always thought she had something to say. She's the one to call. She had a boyfriend. She had a boyfriend in Pittsburgh. And she'd go up, see him and she'd come back and say, I hate that town. I know when I get up there, this is my home. Where I think what caused it was her mother was sort of masculine looking woman who had had one child who's a very feminine girl. But she showed me pictures with the kids and you could tell she's domestic. Domestic K type. Then the father went to war. The father was pretty years when World War II came along. But he took off for war and his wife's pregnant with Janice. And then during this period, she showed me photos of his house guests. They had lived. There was woman. So I think there was a real conflict on prior to pregnancy that Janice never consciously, the child was born. Strangely, I don't think she could. When she dressed, she couldn't tell anything about her chest because she had, I never met a person that there was no sexual attraction at all. I wouldn't say none at all, but I mean, that wasn't the point. See, because she went to Pittsburgh to see her boyfriend periodically.

dm5-25:05

She went up for six, which was, it's none of my business. We were friends. But I know every time I want to go to Pittsburgh to talk or I didn't have a car, I had old car but wasn't mine, and she had a car, she'd drive me out. But what I get a kick out of was these other girls would say, well, can I go too? And I'd say to me, they'd come to me and say, can I walk up with you to Pittsburgh? And I'd say, well, I'm, I'm not going in my car. You'd have to ask Janice. And they'd walk over to her and say, can we go with you? And she'd say, no. No reason to. No.

dm5-25:46

So then that put me in a position where I had to go get my car the next time and I go with Janice, take the girls up the next time. See? So they could go. I remember one time I was riding up to Pittsburgh. Sounds like a cat. Fight the time. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I had a chicken coop. Yeah, right. I had a chicken coop. Oh, I'm so glad. It's that crosses. It's gone. Oh, they were good people though. They were a lot of help. We had tacos and stuff. We did a lot of work. That's natural. That's perfect. As an old dude, it was one of the symbols. They tell me in the Chinese script, the Japanese script, unhappy or misery, it's a gly of two women under one roof.

dm5-26:38

And even the mother-in-law can't have her in there. But we was going up to Pittsburgh one day and I said to Janice, I said, I kind of feel close to you. I feel like you, he'd have known you a long time or you're somebody. We get along pretty. I said, do you ever think about being in connection with sex? And she says, yeah. She says, it's funny. She says, there's ties that I look at you and I'm not aware of that you're your age. She says, there's what I'd expect my brother to be his age or something like that. Then she says, there's other times I look at you and by God, you're an old man. I really appreciate her, really appreciate her honesty because she just was, no offense, she wasn't offended, didn't ever mean to defend people, I don't think. But she was just impatient. If she thought she didn't, she had to come up combat. Why? She'd give you the combat, I guess.

Speaker 1

dm5-27:57

Sounds like she's one of those people that just never learned to edit what she thought versus what she screwed.

Speaker 2

dm5-28:05

Yeah. Yeah. All the cop pulled her over one time. She had a crazy way she would dress in, which she looked entirely different. She had glasses that were tinted. She looked, I mean, it made her look. Hell like prettier what she was, the way she fixed her hair and stuff. And she looked about eight years younger than actually she was too when she had her coat on and a glass and stuff. So a cop pulled her over up in Pittsburgh. She's doing something wrong. He says, little girl, he thought she was 18 old. I said, little girl. He said, you're not supposed to be driving on the side of the street or whatever. And so she looks up at him and says, well, tell me what the fuck I'm supposed to do. I said, just pull over here and I'll give you a ticket. That's what you're supposed to do. I knew exactly, exactly. She didn't mean it to be insulting. That was her standard adjective. She didn't mean to insult a guy or show disrespect. It was just universal adjective that solves all problems. Verb arb adjective says, ask you what an ad verb was. And he says, it's a female verb.

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Speaker 1

dm6-00:01

I get super sensitive to the input. Yeah. All comes in at once. Yeah. God, but how can you go from that state of super cautiousness to a state of, that's the odd. Pretty like that both gets a critic. They say

Speaker 2

dm6-00:19

That's what it is. It's the same thing. Only it begins to overload the system,

Speaker 1

dm6-00:23

Don't you think? Yes. Schizo. They cover all sins. Psychology is full of meaningless words. That's right.

Speaker 2

dm6-00:35

Hey, all these people are ready to take down your pearls of wisdom.

Speaker 1

dm6-00:39

Well, my pearls of

Speaker 2

dm6-00:41

Wisdom. You got to be much today.

Speaker 1

dm6-00:42

Well,

Speaker 2

dm6-00:43

You get to put out some of what you've been taking in.

Speaker 1

dm6-00:45

Yeah. The funny thing is, this is the truth too, by the way. I have such a lousy attitude about my own thoughts. I figured if you want to be interested in what I had to say, there's something dangerously wrong with you.

Speaker 2

dm6-01:02

Darn that. Well, that isn't true.

Speaker 1

dm6-01:04

No, it isn't mouth. I know it isn't.

Speaker 2

dm6-01:05

Is your mouth shut?

Speaker 1

dm6-01:06

Yeah. I know it isn't true, but I do truly feel that way. Yeah. My self image, your cell phone image goes to hell if you can't work every day. Can't work every home. Don't say you had Rob with George. He quit working.

Speaker 3

dm6-01:21

Dad, do you want me to throw that away

Speaker 1

dm6-01:22

Please? He's got mustard on.

Speaker 3

dm6-01:25

All right. I'll just be careful. Thanks. Down the whole system. Figured that was better than you seen

Speaker 1

dm6-01:32

Trying to figure out what you doing. I got my suburban already to camp out and the motorcycle all geared up here take off the disappear. That's

Speaker 2

dm6-01:46

A fighting system over.

Speaker 1

dm6-01:48

Sure. Well, I have own business, but sometimes family work, I couldn't in the system. No way, shape, or I have

Speaker 2

dm6-01:59

A question. Have your own business. You should know each other. Right just now. I was thinking if you have your own business and you're looking for a job where you wouldn't have to work every day, maybe he talk about it.

Speaker 1

dm6-02:13

My luck. He won't be the three of you. There's just one problem. I made the mistake, George, a recent building, a shock passed to my mom's house and she skipped you made a mistake. That was a tactical error. She's schizophrenic. Boy. I live with her. Anything happens, any stress, she goes her mind go, woo. She'd been that way all her life. Sure. Not

Speaker 2

dm6-02:44

Jim can be. Jim can handle.

Speaker 1

dm6-02:50

Jim can handle anything but himself.

Speaker 2

dm6-02:52

See, you need him as a business manager. Fuck

Speaker 1

dm6-02:55

Mom. You're violating this brave new world of, or might be conceived a brave new world.

Speaker 4

dm6-03:03

Yeah,

Speaker 1

dm6-03:03

Which the man is perfectly understanding of. Yeah. Well, I never didn't get along too well with women. There's not many female philosophers around.

Speaker 2

dm6-03:16

I don't think that's true.

Speaker 1

dm6-03:21

Used to be a bar in El Grove that said no women allowed. That was your hide up, huh? I used to tell minister had an all female congregation and all they did was get up and sayle any You said that line up, single file. No pushing, no shoving direct minds. I reversed the situation on my wife or she did on me. She said Jimmy Carter. She said Jimmy Carter always screws up the collection of presidents. Did you get that one, Jim? Yeah. I was a little wild. It was a little wild coming.

Speaker 4

dm6-04:40

Want

Speaker 1

dm6-04:46

We are going to have to make this room convertible, throw a couple of latches and put a couple of pullies out and wind the walls up. Then we'll be sitting out on the world's greatest porch. Of course, we will have to do something about the span here. You won't be able to hold the roof up with nothing. I've often wondered about the span in this cover craft. Hey, Richard, what built this room? Did you guys build this roof? Yeah, sure. Larry did it. What kind of span did he have in here? That's a hell of a span to have post reconstruction electrical. Did you buy pre-built joists or what did you do? This Larry over here. Oh, we did a hell of a nice job. Boy. This is the ideal rec room someplace on God's earth where you're under roof and don't have to worry about tracking a little muddy. Don't believe it. There's signs on the door that says, take off your shooting. There's a lot of nice woods down there to walk around. You can meet a prisoner here and there. They bought it off. There's a lot you.

Speaker 2

dm6-06:15

Yeah, that's right. You were here for the, weren't you the what? There was this. They brought all their cattle. Now they crew.

Speaker 1

dm6-06:22

Oh, did they? Hundred of cattle. No kidding. What were they changing pasture or what? Of course. See, you talk about being totally at a loss. You put me in the middle of a farm and say, well, Jim, there it is. It's all yours. All the bills are paid. You don't have a thing to worry about. I wouldn't know where the hell to start. Well, I don't know, but when you think about it, tens of billions of people born, gone through life and died that never laid eyes on a farm and without the farm. Where the hell are you? It seems to me it'd be the first thing you'd want to teach a child. You realize

Speaker 2

dm6-07:05

That's what we're going to need to notice.

Speaker 1

dm6-07:06

Well work on a farm. Yeah. You realize the scope of my education down through life. Well, that's the point I'm making. That's the reason you've come through this thing like such a rolling stone. He hasn't even lost his moss. Look, you amaze me man. I kid you not. I'll tell you right to your face. I don't know how the hell you've done it. I know one thing. I got another third to go to catch you and it's going to be a rough third if I can. I haven't gotten anything done yet.

Speaker 2

dm6-07:40

Cj, instead of putting him away in an institution, they put him away in the seminary. That's why without drugs.

Speaker 1

dm6-07:47

Well, I got a formula. If anybody wants it, if you're young enough to start on it, then that is always be unsatisfied with what you're doing. Well, that comes to me automatically. I'm never satisfied if I do something and I'm always just starting something else. Not the same thing. Trying to do it better, but just starting on something else then totally different. Well, there was a time in my life when I was using that very much as a tool and as a matter of fact, it was right after my period of meditation when I found out that I couldn't do that anymore. Try to get too much into psychic stuff. No, it was entirely pragmatic. In other words, I found out that the only way I could escape having my mind run away from me was by keeping it busy at something new. What

Speaker 4

dm6-08:33

Do you mean

Speaker 1

dm6-08:33

Run away from me? Run away from me pal. Mel, you talk a real schizophrenic interlude episode that have meditation. Yeah. That's when I first discovered that part of the problem is that it looking for, how long did you meditate before this happened? I had about three good years. Three years. You slowly went within? Yeah, I don't think so. It seemed like he must have progressed awful fast to get to those levels where you just Well, that's the reason I make such a comment about the teen years in my teen years. If it came to my mind that I wanted to do it, I could do it. There was no time spent. Of course, at the time I didn't know it. I had nothing to compare it to. It was only later that I realized how damnably remarkable it was. Okay, now if you take drugs, Alize it or whatever they give you, does that slow your mind down and you can kind of meditate when you're taking the drug I'm on now, you couldn't meditate if it were your life. It cuts you right straight through here. It performs a chemical lobotomy. You lose the ability to identify with yourself and in so doing, you lose these circles of trap thoughts that keep repeating. Oh, you don't have those? No. The medicine is the reason

Speaker 2

dm6-09:56

When you stop the medicine, they're very waiting for.

Speaker 1

dm6-09:59

They're just sitting there waiting for you. Can you meditate? Rebound? No, because it's that area. You have to know to reach the other side. You have to be able to go through there successfully. Oh, you mean the meditation kind of numbs your mind? No, it doesn't numb it. It releases it. It takes the responsibility of taking care of every second. It takes that away. You put part of your system on automatic. That was why I made that remark about teaching my body to accept the fact that right now your mind, can you make your mind pretty empty right now? It is pretty empty. Yeah. I don't have any run-ons. Is it real? As a matter of fact, it is. Then nothing there. Nothing. Okay. See your next 10 trip around so long, guys. Guys take care. Can you keep it empty for long periods of time? Like right now?

Speaker 4

dm6-10:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1

dm6-10:51

Yeah. I don't have any trouble with it, but if you didn't take the medication, that would come Nia. That's right, but you know what I do? I go on meditation for, I go on medicine for a week. Then I stay off it for a week so that I don't build up a backlog.

Speaker 2

dm6-11:06

That's really good.

Speaker 1

dm6-11:08

It took me a long time to learn that. If I tried to tell my psychiatrist I was doing that, he'd flip his way.

Speaker 3

dm6-11:14

Well, you bet you he would.

Speaker 1

dm6-11:16

But that's the only way you can do it because if you don't, you change anxiety in for depression. I mean, when you come, if you stop, if you don't take a little bit of it every other week, you get depressed. You get depressed. You got real depressed. Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm6-11:33

Well, sleeping pills interfere with dreaming sleep. So when somebody gets off of sleeping pills, they have what's called REM rebound.

Speaker 4

dm6-11:41

It's

Speaker 2

dm6-11:41

The same thing with the medicine. If you take it consecutively for six months, that stuff's all stacking up. That's right. And it'll

Speaker 1

dm6-11:49

Rebound on you. It's murdered. You've got a hell of a lot of homework you have to do when you get into that position. There's a tremendous failure in psychology or psychiatry when they have to prescribe continuous medication. There's something wrong. See, because I can see it, but guys has a crisis. Okay, down. How else can they deal with schizophrenia? Oh, there's no such thing as schizophrenia. Okay. You said there's no such thing. There is, but it's possession. I know people that only schizophrenia and I recognize is possession. You think it's possession, huh? No. No. I don't recognize, I don't say he's possession. I'm saying that's the only schizophrenia I recognize. The words means two personalities. Schizo or split personality. See, this isn't split personality. They're ascribing a lot of stuff to schizophrenia. That is just a man's upset. A man wants to scream. He wants to scream. He don't dare scream, and he got to hold the screaming. So instead of screaming, he jumps to a plate glass window and he's a schizophrenia. Well, in some mental hospitals they'll diagnose like most of the things like manic oppressiveness or man depressive. Well, other, that's basically more of what he'd be diagnosed at. Anyhow, the main depressive a schizophrenic. He's, he's not too personalities. He's just high and low. But I know people that can't get along without blood. Well, that's because of the damn many doctors. That's doctors. They try effect. There's an environmental thing.

Speaker 2

dm6-13:24

So if it was managed depression, somebody which purely this medication off something that, but I know people Lithium would be flip out. That would have you,

Speaker 1

dm6-13:34

I know a girl wants to go up here and preach the Christmas completely. That's all right. That's all right. But there's a cure for that. And see, I maintain law. She goes a psychiatrist now and she's on medication as long as she stays on her medication. But if she doesn't take it for a few days, she gets, you can tell by looking at her mind is know. She's getting that psychotic insight again.

Speaker 2

dm6-13:54

That's the rebound.

Speaker 1

dm6-13:56

Hey. But you see George, the whole thing is that she, there's two things that they're not talking about. She's rebound. I know, but unless she'd had that medication would've been really, she was messed up. No, no. Don't you? I had to grab her and take her into psych three. Well, you took her to the wrong place for the love of Christ. I did. I shoulda took her into the back room. She was sick. Still sick. Sure. Who's sick? You got a chance to be a healer and do something without there. Call put my mind on her hand. No, I'm serious. You're talking about medication. Sometimes people don't need medication. All they needs sex. That's what caused her trouble. She got Jill by a boyfriend, right? Absolutely. Set her off. See how old 22. There's nothing wrong with her, but there will be if she gets medication. She was right for picking. Huh? Early twenties are a rough time.

Speaker 4

dm6-14:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1

dm6-14:54

Yeah. But it's, I don't question what happens. Don't say sex, but it's good to face the idea that sex caused it and then go from there. See, but not pills. I think not everything. I think the sex causes loss. Sure, sure. Misuse is the problem. I talked to a guy, a black guy that was in charge in West Virginia. We used to have two types of nuthouse and white and black. Of course, I think it was a good idea because I think that the black people had more compassion. Black supervisor had more compassion for the inmates than the white supervisor. Black inmates depend. I was down here in Lincoln, West Virginia. I happened to be down there in town in the carnival and this guy came and I got him aside and I said, I was always asking questions of people around. So I said, Hey. I said, what's the cause of insanity? What brings all those people to these nut houses? And he says very simply, I was amazed because black people can say things very succinctly sometimes with a limited vocabulary. And he says they didn't keep their pecker in their pants. He says, no. And I was amazed because see, this is the psychiatrist will tell you just the exact opposite. Right. Right. But that's what Im saying. You're right. That's what I say because sure, this is your Skinnerian approach, which is drain the wild man and he is the wild. See,

dm6-16:25

I think sex can be beneficial for 20-year-old girls. No, for people that are love, don't take me literally. I think it can even be raised to a level of a spiritual experience.

dm6-16:39

I do too. What's that type of yoga chemistry's called anointing by the guru transmission. We know where the, I mean I had this book in Dallas. Dallas, Dallas, sex. I had this book to Dallas Sex and what you do is you dial sex Dow, DOW dow do the zin. What is that? Dow is D. Yeah, yin and yang. Y and the yang. And it taughts you how to yang. What you do, you get, what you do is you get to the point he comes in, the conversation goes to hell. You get to the point of orgasm and you stop it. So after you practice it a while, you can have prostate cancer. This way a man can have dry orgasms and actually can go on for hours.

Speaker 3

dm6-17:55

All they're doing is ejaculating into their bladder. That's so bad for you. Co retrograde ejaculation. If they're having orgasm, if they're having orgasms.

Speaker 1

dm6-18:03

Well, I think there is an orgasm. I It's just vibration. Am I glad I came down supposed to be a way of getting control over this thing, so never tried chomping it off. No, no, no, no. Don't be so damn radical. Wait till it's working real good and tying out in it. Am I glad I came? You could read that several ways. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh boy. That cold cows. I'm glad somebody around here have to drink coffee. That goose piece they give you in the restaurants. Unless the God, because the goose would come in and get goose up from here on out. Yeah. Read what some away. Glad he came. You can read that sentence. I didn't tell you. I did. You just came. No, no, no. Enough off that much. Nothing. Enough enough, Mr. Well, no, George, if you're going to be a healer, you're going to have to report for class longer morning. That's happened happening here right now. My intellectual down, all my bios cleared down my field, but that happened. My hands. Hands. Do

Speaker 4

dm6-19:38

You really believe that?

Speaker 1

dm6-19:39

Huh? My hands got like, yeah, my wife didn't believe it and I did a couple times with her and she came about a week ago and she had a no,

Speaker 2

dm6-19:46

No, no. I meant about the bio rhythms.

Speaker 1

dm6-19:48

Wait a minute. Yeah, bio rhythms really works for me, but everybody's not on it. But about five or six days ago, she had a migraine headache. I mean it was horrible. And I put my hands on her head and they get real hot like heating pads and I put my state mind in that state of oneness and then just nothing. Just stay there and I can feel the energy actually going in my hands get like heating pads and God just down. She couldn't believe it. So she's a believer now away she gets a headache. Convert your mother and you're going to live in peace. Oh god. Really?

Speaker 2

dm6-20:24

Put your hands on. Be careful.

Speaker 1

dm6-20:28

Careful. You might be going. That's true. That's true. When I did this, I did this. This is good with this girl, with this spasm my hands where they get kind of cramped like it's going into my hands. Yeah. Schizophrenia,

Speaker 2

dm6-20:43

Make sure you're not doing the zap and stuff that he was talking about.

Speaker 1

dm6-20:47

The what? Transferring energy. Yeah.

Speaker 2

dm6-20:51

Well,

Speaker 1

dm6-20:51

That's what probably happens if you go around partnering around sex with people that there's not really love involved. There's probably, it could be negative courses transferred. Actually entities probably just hang around these places the same way as beer joints. I mean these entities are just waiting. But I'm saying if this is with somebody and there's it's higher level, I think it can be raised with spiritual. So I think there's great danger because that's a beautiful thought to have when you're having sex. That's the only way to do entities really to see, that's what I'm saying. There are all these negative forces around, so you have to be careful who you fool around with

Speaker 3

dm6-21:29

And you've got to have a real reference mind while you're doing. What I found, that's been my experience, is that when I've been involved in situations where was making love and it was a real reference. It's not just for one another for God and creation, and

Speaker 1

dm6-21:46

I think that's the proper word to use, making love. There's

Speaker 2

dm6-21:51

A difference between making love and having sex.

Speaker 1

dm6-21:52

Oh yes.

dm6-21:55

Sex is sick. Sex is like having your morning cup of coffee. But I mean it really is. Sex has no with sex, with love. I'll tell you, I guarantee that 50%, maybe 60, 70, 80% of the people here is going to leave here blowing bubbles or chanting to themselves or something. The way this conversation's going, I'm trying to keep up with it. I'm sure it'll stop my head before the days and start your what? No, I mean really. I think a life celibacy is preferable. Sex or things without deep relationship waste of time. I think life is sick. I two things. That life isn't healthy as one and justice is another. Yeah. There's no justice there. Any

Speaker 2

dm6-22:47

Police station. You find that out? Is there some? Okay, but remember what we were talking about before about how the universe is lawful there some type of ultimate justice that is beyond this dimension.

Speaker 1

dm6-22:59

Let's hope.

Speaker 2

dm6-23:00

Is there justice?

Speaker 3

dm6-23:01

Sure, sure, sure. But don't expect too much, but not something

Speaker 1

dm6-23:05

I can look for. But not as long as you're willing. You got to get beyond willingness to happen. Right. You see what you're occupying is a burial ground. Yeah. And there's the ultimate aim of life. Did you ever stop to think what the purposes? I don't know. I think maybe I've written it down someplace in the transmission papers maybe that you have little bugs upon the backs to divide them other bugs themselves united. But this is a scale of one form of life digesting another, feeding off another. I think I read that in one of your papers one time. Yeah. Until you get to a point where you are able, the highest form of life presumably is the highest. It's the most expensive thing on the menu for the entities.

Speaker 4

dm6-23:52

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1

dm6-23:53

You see what I mean? They're always waiting. So basically when you get to talking about justice, and if this is the aim of life, you got propagation here to keep, it's like raising a dairy herd. The farmer raises the dairy herd and he keeps expanding his herd all the time and taking care of his herd. And occasionally they get too old. He makes bologna out of the cow and the cow says, that's unjust because I served my master and gave me milk all these years. Now I become bologna. Why don I go to heaven or decent pasture or something like that. No, the purpose is as long as you're in the energy game, then you're going to be energy for fertilizing the soil or for energy food. Yeah. You got to get beyond all that.

dm6-24:43

You don't expect people without any higher aid or any knowledge of what's going on. You should not expect anything more than the justice of the soil, which is absorption. You're going to be absorbed. That's all. And it doesn't matter how you go. You may have been in human terms. See, this is a mistake that people make a human activity divine God makes man in his own image and likeness. Yeah. Okay. Then he ascribes to that God, which he insists that God have human values in his justice. See, so as I said, what does it matter whether a child dies? You see a little baby killed. Oh, that's terrible. Why couldn't that child suffer for 80 years? Sometimes I never judge when. But the eternal soul seems to go beyond all the what? Eternal soul. Don't confuse me unless fairytales. Now we've got to prove that before we accept it. The eternal

Speaker 3

dm6-25:41

We define our terms at least.

Speaker 1

dm6-25:42

Yeah. Eternal soul. We don't know. That's a steam off the pile. Okay. The real self that lies beyond the mind and the body. It lies where beyond the mind and the body, the inner self, your sentence is dramatically incorrect. You can't ride between and be honest at the same time. What do you think? Observe. If your mind and your body, it must be something that objects. You read my book? No, not necessarily your book, but if you go within, I know George, but you see we're taking basics. We're taking some things that are evident, not from looking out in the higher plane, but for this plane.

Speaker 4

dm6-26:28

It

Speaker 1

dm6-26:28

Doesn't take much to see that. You go out in the grass up there and you wonder, all these little boats come from, they're already up there, eat each other. That's survival. And you've got the chicken eating the bugs and we're eating the chicken. We probably should eat the shit, right? Well, I don't know. I don't know. Again, we were engineered. We were engineered with canine tea. So I don't believe that you have to be a vegetarian necessarily. If you conform to your natural pattern, it doesn't matter what you eat. It's what eats you.

Speaker 2

dm6-27:02

If Jesus said it's not what goes into your mouth, but what comes out of your mouth that makes you cleaner or needed?

Speaker 1

dm6-27:16

Well, I talked too much. Remember I told you I had that conscious dream where I was pulling these leashes out of my mouth, my whole dream. I was consciously aware of dream. That's almost like a psychic picture of That's a vision. The energy coming out. See, there's something tappy like me, I talk too much with my over soul. When or something was telling me something to shut my damn mouth. Yeah, right. Great. Not coming out of it. No. I had this dream and the whole dream during the whole dream, I very seldom dream anyway. See, I just sleep

Speaker 3

dm6-27:51

Wake you s remember your day.

Speaker 1

dm6-27:53

Yeah. I very s remember because I can usually sleep anytime I want. Just my mind. I can usually put my mind just completely empty and just sleep during the day. Anytime I want. Just go to sleep, let sound to asleep for 15 minutes. Wake up anytime I walk. See, this time I had some disturbance. I had some disturbance, some things that just bothered me disturbing. Okay. And I think that's what shook things up. These things, that family and so forth that had me kind of shook up and anyway, I had this dream and during the whole dream I was completely, although I was sound asleep, I was completely,

dm6-28:28

My conscious mind was watching everything. The fact is I was trying to watch it and be careful because I wanted to see what's going on. And sometimes the more you try to do that more, you break it up. Break it up. Like last night, last night I was watching this, my mind is usually just dark and empty. There's no pictures, no nothing, no thoughts. Unless I want to think. But last night, for example, I had a picture right in here and I was right at between wake and sleep. But actually I had to wake, but I was still with that level. But when I really tried to concentrate, then I was just kind of wake up. But what I'm saying about the dream, I had this vision that I was pointing things from my mouth and I looked, you ever pulled leches off a snapping turtle?

dm6-29:20

But I think that that was something my oversold or something's trying to tell me something. Shut my damn mouth talk. Well, I think it's the energy. See what happens is there seems to be more energy put out. At least myself. I put out more energy talking that I do working. I can go around the hill and shop wood all day and enjoy it. And it doesn't fatigue me. I feel good that night and the next day. But when I come out here for these meetings and stuff for the next day, oh you're drained. You're drain. If you deal with negative people, you're drained. You can go meditate and you can really get state of peace. But you deal with negative people. They take, they drain you voice. That's no great flattering entire establish your group. But negative people, these characters in the bar,

Speaker 3

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I believe? Everybody is set the premise I work. In other words, when you put yourself in a position where you say, I'm going to do this and I'm going to keep doing it in terms of what put your brother wants. When you don't call the shots, sometimes a person comes to healed and they to teach.

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Anyway, she was standing there. She's laughing like hell. And I guess this girl at the bar who had it in for me, she was going like this, A, C, D, C. Everybody had their eyes cleared on the restroom door. So when I walk out with this guy, this girl was going good. I didn't know what was going on. I was drinking too much. I said, no, what the hell is happening? Do you remember what happened? Oh yeah. Anyway, the counter was here and these two waitresses were behind the bar. And he was standing here and I was standing. My wife was here. And I said, how are you drinking? I said, I was transferring the oneness to him. And he said, my wife told me this later. I knew what I said, but I mean everybody was doing, and this waitress was mattered. Hell and thought, and they're doing something. And I said to him, how was it meaning the one and this waitress the counter was here and she was just thinking we were behind the counter. Like I says, how was the oneness? And she was going like this, trying to see what was going on. He says it was different, huh? A real didn't himself. No, he said it was different.

dm9-01:35

They think I'm a damn homo. What makes you so happy? You should be protesting. Not happy. How can you protest when you protest? That's like, you're like the old woman that went to confession. Huh? You like you a woman that went to confession. You confessing the same sin over and over. We didn't confess to the priest. She had adult heard and the priest heard it a couple of times and he said, how old are you? He says, oh, I'm 70. He says, how can every week you come in here, you have adult adultery? She says, how can you keep this up? She says, oh, I don't keep it up. She says, this happened 40 years ago. And he says, well, you don't have to confess this over and over. She said, yes, father. But I get so much pleasure getting it off my chest again.

dm9-02:27

I'm getting this off my chest. To me, that's a study in how things are illusion or distorted. How things are distorted. I mean, people don't really Yeah, but you're violating the rules. If you look at the fact that we've told the story in such a way so that we would laugh and that we would I was laughing at you. I think it's funny, it's hilarious. But to me it's a study. Is it one of those cases about Dutch protest Too much? It is a classic study and distortion. People don't really see what's there. They see what they want to see. They distort. I How many people were in penitentiary because of crimes that didn't labeled? People love to label. Well, these people love the big dirt. They love the gossip. Especially these kind of people you find in bars. Well, of course you accused this woman of being whatever, because she was doing what she was doing to make a living.

dm9-03:31

Just, she just, she's in the bartender. She's a bartender. But I'm just saying that I think that maybe this was just a way of getting even for that. She really loved the, she just took advantage of an opportunity. I mean, I did it to myself was she was pped. She thought she turn, I mean I did it to myself. You don't go to a bar and say, well, let's transfer to oneness now. Right. And didn't walk into the restroom. I say, you're violating. You're violating your, you do. If you're my brother, you're violating the code. You're violating the code. Well, I mean that's setting yourself up. No, no, no. Not what you, me setting yourself up. You can't. Brother's gossip. Sure, sure. You're setting yourself up for, especially by weeks ago, having had woman plus they know you're in sight. Look at your wife. What said know what your wife said while you was in there. Oh, she was having a ball. Them all fired up. She thought it was funnier than hell. She just laughed and around. But I mean, hell, I mean, I had a lot to drink. I wouldn't have really known what was going on. I mean, I didn't know what they were doing. People talked behind your backs. Yeah. But if you didn't, what was no longer, you're paranoid, schizo, het know what was going on. So something they didn't know what was going on either. Behind closed doors.

dm9-04:58

My intuition goes behind those doors. You have asphalt tv. Are you hearing voices and seeing themes? Yeah. Psych. So you can do baseball, bat therapy. I like that. I say a lot of pills. No, but I think there's very little truth I think might have distort. Oh, sure, sure. But I'll tell you the funny thing is I found that I couldn't talk about the philosophical things even in business, much less than the, I'm breaking all the rules. Yeah, you go. Being drunk in the first place and getting into you waiting until the philosophers, you said yourself, who hangs people? People that this is a great therapy joint. These are the real essential therapy units. Everybody goes in there. I wrote a poem one time about the Burberry. It's something like all saw a line of men standing at the bar looking in the glass. Each man sees himself of God, the next man, but an ass.

dm9-06:27

The cattle leak, protective liquor. I can't remember too much, but that was what it was. He blames. He sits there and he blames his wife or my wife has died. And now alone. You hear all these are stereotypes. Anytime you went a bar, you can lay down a list of titles and those would be the complaints. Or the boostings. I'd have made a million. But sometimes they don't have a way to blame it on. So they blame it on something else down the street. It's the reluctance to let go of the deprived daygo. The guy deprived his, he never made any money. So instead of saying, well, I never made any money, he says, I'd have had it. But alcoholic, the great morning. The great morning, the wife died. The mornings, I never forget. One time my oldest brother was reported, the truck driver, he reported dead. He got a telegram and he was dead.

dm9-07:44

I told my father, there came telegram I, my mother's living here and I came out here and told her, she run her hands and the first thing she said was she didn't have a insurance. I thought, Jesus, here, shocker, I bury, take a shovel. We bury the body in short. But her head went right through that boom. And my aunt was here at the time and she says, well contact Meyer immediately. Don't let out the body you. That's very important. The guy ain't dead now. We're still holding a very sacred body or something. Then I went back in and hung my father up. My father had started in south weeding. We got the message and he stopped in every birds. Everybody weeding knew him. And he'd go in and he'd say, I got some bad news today, son. Telegram. My son's dead. A bartender to a free drink across the counter. By the time I got to, he was drunk in a skunk. See? And I couldn't take it. Hey, I left out. I left out. I come back. I'm try to, that guy drinking and one woman fighting over where he goes to the Catholic cemetery or not another one, breathing to his insurance. What the hell did the son mean to the mother?

dm9-09:26

So I went away for a couple of days and I didn't see any obituary in the newspaper. And I came back here. It was a phony. Did you ever find out how it happened? You already said it. He said it. Oh, it was a joke. Yeah. Just see what you all would do. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. He wasn't too much of a code and he had a clock behind it had I thought that he may have had a scheme to try to disappear and collect his insurance or something. But he didn't have any insurance. Oh yeah. Truck guy. The truck out there, he drove towards. He said that, I don't think he did.

dm9-10:08

Wreck was in a wreck. Wreck, wreck. And we called the trucking company, see? And they said Yes, there has been wreck I think was killed. So of course that made us believe he was dead, but they just hadn't the rub out from the body. Well Larry, what do you think? Yeah, better hit the road. Lemme get my stuff. Lot of hours of daylight left. Yeah, but some promises made. I said I'd try to get home about six. Me too. I always thought that. Oh, they get, they're real therapists. They're real therapists. They know exactly how to act. They know exactly what to say to each one. Don't get much gratitude. Yeah. Four worlds around me to hold up my life. Slipping away. Ky, hold it. You didn't bring your fiddle down. Oh yes I did. Did you bring it out where the guitar pick? No, there'd be one or two of around here. We've got a guitar around here someplace haven't where Shorty? Who? Mandel. He didn't come down, I don't think. That used to get written up. Newspapers gave it up for Zen and he gave Zen up for Fish Restaurant. There is a good dog. I think I better, thanks a.

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