1983-0323-Is-the-Game-of-Life-Fixed-Synod-Hall-Oakland-PA
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| Title | 1983-0323-Is-the-Game-of-Life-Fixed-Synod-Hall-Oakland-PA |
| Recorded date | March 23, 1983 |
| Location | Newspaper article says Synod Hall, Oakland, PA (Rob Ayres note says Synod Hall) |
| Number of tapes | Two 90 minute tapes |
| Other recorders audible? | |
| Alternate versions exist? | |
| Source | |
| No. of MP3 files | Five files: 6 min (intro); 39 min; 46 min; 46 min; 45 min. |
| Total time | |
| Transcription status | A few notes only |
| Link to distribution copy | http://distribution.direct-mind.org/ |
| Link to PDF | http://distribution.direct-mind.org/ Or try http://selfdefinition.org/rose/ |
| Published in what book? | |
| Published on which website? | |
| Remarks | A video was made of this lecture.
“White cover” cassettes recorded and distributed by TAT Foundation illustrates RR’s method of attacking concepts and belief structures. One of the most complete renditions of L.o.Q. plus material on observing the mind, personal search. Many life stories. |
| Audio quality | Professional quality recording |
| Identifiable voices | |
| URL at direct-mind.org | https://www.direct-mind.org/index.php/1983-0323-Is-the-Game-of-Life-Fixed-Synod-Hall-Oakland-PA |
| For access, send email to: editors@direct-mind.org | |
| Revision timestamp | 20150627224848 |
Notes
SN version: 45 x 4 including intro on side 1. White cover cassettes Recorded and distributed by TAT Foundation.
Also have DW version, 2 x 90 << check
Newspaper announcement Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Mar 19, 1983: "Is the Game of Life Fixed?"
and Alternate title (sounds generic, don't use): Will speak on psychology religion and human nature:
File 0 intro
6 min Intro by Mike Whitely. Mentions that the lecture is being videotaped.
File 1
Times are from DW version 37 minutes
dw1-00:00
[applause] I’m sure that was for Mike.
I was going to say, I’ve got a lot of notes written out here, but some things happened just in the last two days that I thought were very interesting. For instance, one of the questions here on the top of the page is “What is sanity?”
We have a group, as Mike told you. It’s been around for over 10 years. Some of the people here tonight have been with us for 10 years. And they’ve been digging to find out what their sanity is. And sometimes I feel that it’s 10 years of wasted work; that most of us haven’t discovered what sanity is. But we were sitting in the kitchen last night.
True sanity can be close to despair.
Reads and comments on the Lecture of Questions.
This is likely the most complete version available (the list was read at several lectures recorded over the years)..
Attacks primarily social and religious beliefs.(life-hypnosis).
File 2
46 minutes.
or whatever. Like a limited number of colors
we project things let’s say in a comfortable manner
then we see the projection
you see what you want to see
I was looking for her, that’s the reason I saw her
mirage
thirsty he sees a lake
we project this out on a visible plane
So if a man is color blind
02:45
the ultimate projector
who projected us
The definition of “meaning.”
Consciousness. Awareness. The mind.
The mind in sleep.
Abilities of the mind.
Observing the mind.
Neurotransmitters.
Attitudes and motives.
Value of friendship.
Truth in everyday matters.
File 3
dw version total time = 44:25
dw3-00:00
Where are we mentally? What price are we paying? We’re sending kids out to become PhDs, but what do they look like when they get to be a PhD? They don’t look as good as the people who worked in a mill for 10 years. They aren’t as healthy as people who worked in the mill. Their ideas are more fanatical. They only know what the professor told them, and he may have been sick too. In other words, we may be developing something, where we don’t dare let loose of this illusion that we’re rolling up like a big ball of wax.
Q. What does that mean to a person caught up in the middle of the whole game?
R. Well, there are lots of them, believe me. And the only thing I can see for that person to do, there’s nothing you can do unless you see it. Now, there may be a percentage of people sitting here today, they say, “Hey, I don’t agree with that fellow. It’s not as bad as all that.” And what can I say? What can you really say? I’ll say this, I’m not attempting to prove anything to you. That’s the reason I prefer to asking questions. because if you get up and you make a flat statement and you say, “So-and-so is bad,” which I have made [done] for certain psychiatrists. I don’t say they all are. I’m quite favorable to the Jungian type of psychologist, and I think there’s hope there.
dw3-01:31
But I can see the effects of people using destructive personal techniques. They’re destructive to their mind and their body. We were having a little conversation on that, coming up in the car, of the discovery of some new chemicals in the semen of the male. [note: Jaqua’s Conservation Therapy was 1986] And this big myth about female and male equality is going to be blown apart before very long. But you’ll not get access to it because you’re laymen, and you’re not going to get the medical journal, you’re not going to get these books that tell you that certain things are, this chemical particularly was directly related to schizophrenia. And the reason, this showed a higher prevalence consequently in the female than it did in the male, because the male generated it.
[break in tape. Some garbled. <<<<< need to investivate ]
dw3-02:28
... believed my mother was a goddess. She couldn’t do any wrong. And she didn’t run for office. She wasn’t trying to prove herself in society. But she had the love and respect of her family. But today, no, we want the family pitched against itself. The politicians want to pit the family for votes, that’s all. This all go back to a lousy thing called a vote.
dw3-02:56
Q. I read a concept that scared me a little bit, which doesn’t take much, but when we were born our process? of evolution stopped. That when you come up with the idea of being conscious, that we are totally responsible now for our evolution. [?]
R. I don’t buy that. I’ll tell you why. We get into, we were talking about chemistry, and you get into the mechanism. We’ve got a talk coming up here, down at the farm in June. Mike mentioned it, June the 19th I think it is. [missing tape: 1983-0619-June-Chautauqua-missing-tape And it’s going to be on brain chemistry and that sort of thing. And we’re going to have diagrams there to show you blown up pictures of the synapse, where the thought jumps across from one nerve to another.
dw3-03:56
Now these chemical things have been analyzed with the aid of electronic microscopes, which, it was impossible to see them before. But a lot is visible now by virtue of technology. And to me, the idea of man evolving without a tremendous intelligence behind it – I call it an engineer, in the book Psychology of the Observer. But there has to be engineering. This didn’t evolve. In other words, an animal writhing around on the shore, of course in the early days of life, did not suddenly, did not evolve and say, “Hey, I need a thinking process.” Something had to think for it, so it could have a thinking process. It didn’t create that thinking process out of evolution. Because we know by the time schedule it would take thousands of years to evolve anything.
dw3-04:52
We know that there’s a clam that at one time were trilobites, and these things have hardly evolved at all in a million years. I don’t know, I shouldn’t say a million because I don’t know. Anybody know how long the trilobites lived? How long it has been? But way back there, they find them back in the clay, they’re very primitive little clams
Now the same thing in the evolution of the things that came up in the water, your amphibians and that sort of thing. These things occurred over a period of hundreds of thousands of years. How could synapse evolve? Where did those very complex chemicals like the, there supposed to be the ketone enzyme. These are the things that are supposed to produce life, theoretically. [See Notes-On-Betweenness-from-DME for reference to a book. Search on “ketone”]. On the shore where the scum came up, before there was any creature, that where the water met the land, the ketone enzyme was supposed to have formed. The chances of this, I read a book by a scientist who wrote on it, the chances of a ketone enzyme accidentally bundling together, where hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen – it’s infinitesimal [use “practically infinite”] It couldn’t have happened. Knowing that, it had to have a coincidental other ketone enzyme with which to cross, for the beginning of life. And then the evolution going on for billions of years.
When you go back to the history of the earth, the earth’s history, I don’t think it was here that long. I don’t think that, like the ice age that predated life on earth [or was it hot?] you’re getting too far back in the ice age for anything to exist.
dw3-06:39
[R in other talks references a book, not found.
Ref: The Wistar Institute Symposium (1966)
Lots of leads here: http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_1c.htm Possibly: J. Leslie, "Cosmology, Probability, and the Need to Explain Life "scientific American" Possibly: E. Ambrose, Nature and Origin of the Biological World, 1982
Youtube: Staggering Mathematical Probability of Just One Protein by Chance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh048UW2Tj4
For contemporary writers see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Sarfati and search web on Mathematical Impossibility of Evolution other leads: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris#Books possibly: The Foundations of Chemical Kinetics – Nov. 1980 by Sidney William Benson, another site has 1960: http://www.worldcat.org/title/foundations-of-chemical-kinetics/oclc/167479 ]
But regardless, these things, like the neural systems, the very delicate chemicals and the very delicate relationships, such as a tiny gap, just like the spark plug in an automobile; the synapse in the brain works the same way. There’s something that has to jump. Why does the voltage jump across a spark plug? If it didn’t jump, nothing would explode it wouldn’t have any power. You can’t run a wire through a cylinder and have gasoline explode, it has to jump, and by jumping it exerts its power.
dw3-07:12
And the same thing with a thought. A thought isn’t going to ooze through one continuous nerve, through the brain and back into the fingers or so? No, it has to jump the same as a coil in an automobile. So all of this is engineered, not by evolution. I can’t believe it, that’s all. So consequently, I think the conscious creation we’re out of touch with. All we’re doing is replaying, replaying. [?]
Q. Could I ask you a question?
R. Yes.
Q. ?? becoming conscious you talked about taking a drink of coffee. That’s true with every particular act that we go through. If we had the ?? conscious of everything we do, because that means ?? coffee ??
R. Yes.
Q. ... doing that disciplining oneself.
R. You can’t discipline yourself, because what you’re doing, is that somebody told you to discipline yourself. See what I mean? It’s like I said, that the first step in the truth is to stop the mind. Because it’s running, it’s like a squirrel cage. You can’t, in other words, we’re caught in – how many of you are scheduled so tightly that you don’t have – I’m amazed that people can come here. I quit working, which is the reason I’m able to come here.
Q. Well, maybe that’s the ??
dw3-08:31
Q. You talk about the truth, but aren’t truths surround? by illusion?
R. Well, no, no, illusions are between us and the truth.
Q. inaudible
Q. Well what is truth?
Q. Your truth may not be my perception of the truth.
R. Right, right.
Q. And who decides?
R. You.
Q. And you.
R. No, I’m of the opinion that when you decide, when you find it, we will both know that each other has it.
Q. ??
R. yes, man does not learn the truth, man becomes the truth. See what I mean. Now these are things I can say to you, but I can’t prove it. And the only way they’re going to be of importance to you is if you have a hunch of what I’m talking about.
dw3-09:25
min 13
... for learning. A child between the ages of zero and five learns more in those five years than in any other five years of his life. And the correct view of life – but a child has it, but he’s seduced away from it. Every infant is seduced by the parent. Because he’s raising hell for some reason, God knows what. So they placate him, or they coo to him. He maybe wants to leave, you know, they talk about crib death
“If I can get out of this thing, I’m leaving.”
just check out
they linger in two dimensions. And you have to seduce them to get them out of the dimension
seduction increses
they’ve got all kinds of garbage they’re teaching them
in the army, marching them around
which means that they are the money that is paid out by adult politicians for their pipe dreams
and there’s nowhere along the line that children are respected
I’d been brainwashed since I was five years old
when I got to 12 I started thinking, “What’s going on?”
I started to draw correlations
“I’ve got to get out of here while I’m in one piece.”
I never worked at a job over a year, because every pland puts ou in a state of mind
insurance job; they have to brainwash you
guy’s made a million selling pots and pans, and they hold a convention and they all jump up and say, you know, “This is the thing.”
“Oh, that man is Jesus Christ.”
and they have to believe that to sell those pots and pans, or to give their money to him
the only I can think for procreation is not for pleasure, it’s for bringing clear-headed kids into the world
and have the courage to defend them. I read in the paper here in Pittsburgh where the cops are hammering first one kid’s head in and then another
where are the parents?
what good is a kid who’s got his head hammered in and he has to live in a nuthouse the rest of his life, just because he spoke back to God? od with a gun.
dw3-16:17
W have to somehow protect the children from this great psychological degeneration, or we’re not going to have any children. They’re going to be deviants. Moral people will become deviants in this country. They’re already becoming deviants.
Q.
R. Well, right. But I don’t mean that.
I say it’s very possible
They sprayed for bugs over there in Vietnam, and finally the bugs ate it. Now maybe we’re going to raise a race of kids who can indulge in all this degeneracy, smoke cigarettes, smoke pot, shoot some stuff into their veins, breathe pollution and whatever
Q. isn’t there a certain amount of ??
R. Yes
Q. How does one stop those things?
R. Well, I think that’s the first step. That’s what I did. I was 17 years old when I got out
I didn’t go out and start smoking dope, I went out and started reading books
dw3-18:24
R.. I’m drinking coffee up here, and if you people are as dry as I am, there’’s some back there in the back.
Q. What do you see as the difference between crazy and delirium?
R. Well, this thing of craziness, number one, I don’t believe in anything except protoplasmic insanity. I don’t believe in complex insanity. I don’t think complexes are insanity.
spirochetes
into your brain
We were talking about depression last night, because some cases came up of people who were depressed and couldn’t get out of it. Those are not insane people
chemotherapy is unnecessary. But it’s going to increase because of pressure
the advice is not valid
There’s one rule that people should follow when they’re troubled, and that is shut off the spigot. And the psychiatrist says, “Let it run, do as you please.”
10% of the people in the country have herpes
the troubled people form a vast brotherhood of troubled people
guy who flew over the cuckoo ’s nest
there’s only one form of schizophrenia that I recognize, and that’s possession
you can get into moods
if you don’t mix things up
depression plus dope
wound up smoking and chewing
he’s lonely so he goes and finds himself a woman
“I’ve got a pill.”
I said to this fellow in the institution, “What did you diagnose this man as?” And he said, “We haven’t diagnosed him.” And I said, “What do you got him penned up her for?” I say, “What are you giving him?” And he says, “Stelazine.” I said, “Why does a doctor give medicine without a diagnosis.”
He said, “Hey, bud, we’ve got a chemical for every thought.”
dw3-22:37
“We’ll introduce you to a swingers’ club.”
A man came down from Cleveland to my house
psychiatrist advised a swingers’ club, trade mates
It turned out that his wife was a lesbian. This is why he was depressed
she took all of his property
I got a thank you note from Utah.
But he was depressed because he couldn’t possibly produce anything but money in that relationship.
And when I told him what I thought was wrong he wanted to punch me.
dw3-24:14
But he went back and asked her.
But I think we’re going to have an increasing amount of frustration and juvenile suicides
I see things that irritate me
trying to get ideas across to people
you bark, like a dog in the woods, but there are no ears
If I’m going to try to do anything for people, it should be to publicize some of this stuff that goes on, and somehow put a stop to it.
The worst enemies we’ve got on this earth are he little old ladies who think that the status quo is so beautiful, and all we need is to hire more cops, beat more kids’ heads in
people getting hung in jails
in the community where I live, every jail has had people who hanged themselves, which idn’t exist in my entire life before.
dw3-25:57 << start here
Political belief-structures attempting to overrule morality which has evolved over millennia.
There is a noetic element in man, but you have to stop the clock for it.
Deviancy is becoming normal. Schizophrenia and possession.
Psychiatrist. “We have a drug for every thought.”
Psychiatrist who advocated swingers club.
State control of families.
Youth suicides.
High taxes and bureaucrats.
We pro-rate expenses but we don’t charge for truth.
The “I Am” cult (note, founder is Guy Ballard, not Robert Ballard - misspeak).
Return to Cleveland from Seattle, people were like zombies.
Went back to WV and wrote Three Books of the Absolute.
“You die with honesty, expecting oblivion, but I was surprised that I didn’t die.”
File 4
46 minutes.
Zombies walking to the ballgame.
The valleys are once again valleys.
I am the collective unconscious.
I found that I was the person behind the illusion.
Points of reference.
Your body is a playground for fantasies.
More Q&A
Generating quantum energy.
Sufficient physical work is necessary.
Prolonged effort creates a sense of urgency when there are no apparent results.
Self-criticism, looking back at life, is necessary.
Admitting daily truths.
Scientists RR worked with had little interest in life after death.
Life is an illusion, but a person has a chance to view the real self before his death.
The surprise is helpful in proving that you didn’t create the experience.
Theosophists.
Radha Soami’s Kal.
There is no spiritual experience for a degenerated person.
You can find the truth through psychological means, you don’t have to study metaphysics.
Footnotes
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Possibly here: http://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/22/nyregion/news-summary-tuesday-march-22-1983.html … Presidential commission proposed that mentally competent patients be allowed to halt medical treatment that keeps them alive without any hope of curing or ameliorating their condition. The famous kitchen: http://selfdefinition.org/rose/images/talks/richard-rose-kitchen.jpg The Wistar Institute Symposium (1966). A milestone meeting was the four-day Wistar Institute Symposium, held in Philadelphia in April 1966. A number of mathematicians, familiar with biological problems, spoke—and clearly refuted neo-Darwinism in several ways. An important factor was that large computers were by this time able to work out immense calculations—showing that evolution could not possibly occur, even over a period of billions of years, given the complexities of DNA, protein, the cell, enzymes, and other factors. http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_1c.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_coil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_(psychology)
