1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU

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Title	1979-0418-Direct-Mind-Approach-to-Absolute-OSU
Recorded date	April 18, 1979
Location	OSU, Columbus, Ohio
Number of tapes	2 @ 60
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have versions from: MJ, DM, BM, GH

times are from Bart’s version.

File 0, Intro

Total time: 1 min 8 seconds

Intro by Art Ticknor

Does not start at beginning

Topic is “Direct Mind approach to the Absolute”

If you’re searching for meaning

is there part of me that survives death

the bad news is that he can’t tell us those answers directly can’t be put into words

point a way, find our direction for ourselves

turn the talk over to Mr. Rose.

File 1

Total time: 28:41

00:00

Well, the last couple of times had a prepared talk, Psychology of the Observer

90% of people don’t pick it up

psychology in relation to Zen

modern psychological systems going in the opposite direction

trying to build a mental world of tomorrow

diagram here, schematic

Hubert Benoit psychologist who got interested in Zen

we live in a sort of trough between the positive and the negative

the human mind never has direct knowledge

In India years ago or In Tibet yogis studied a certain planed just by meditating on it

unless they had some sort of tirect mind

As soon as we start talking about Zen we get a split in the audience

04:00

you’re branching off from the field

each person has his own definition

people have preconceptions

90% who are sincere, it’s a devotional

direct-mind possibly 1 hundredth

it’s easier to believe than to question

05:55

I was out on the West Coast giving lectures a couple of months ago

ascended masters, Claire Prophet

I was rather stupefied that she could attract thousands

Tolkien’s books

a lot of boys, quite an obsession, gnomes and elves

give people miracles and they’ll believe them, even though they don’t exist

doctors, lawyers, businessmen, millionaires

there’s only a small percentage of people who realize they don’t know nything

admonition, “First know thyself.”

09:01

some people realize rather young, change their projection

chameleon

sometime you’re going to have to face yourself

the other one of course get sick

strangle on your own tongue, get your leg wrapped around your neck and perish

studied to be a priest

10:35

the younger the better the softer the head

got into everything that had promise

point of reference

we have no choice, we have to function from a point of reference

11:30

got into spiritualism

genuine materialization a few miles north of here White Lilly Chapel

medium Aldred is now dead

no evidence of an entity giving the straight dope

13:05

to me it wasn’t sufficient

walling in this relative dimension

libertarianism and determination

will or fated

can pile up evidence and argument on both

14:00

limitations of the relative mind

also or computer

Thomas Aquinas

this is a little slogan that goes down through the Catholic Church whenever you get a rebel

I came to the conclusion that there were people who knew

answered for all time the question of birth and death

pile of books

Ramana Maharshi Brunton Krishnamurti

16:05

I decided to find out how they found it

man does not learn, he becomes

we don’t have any respect for that which is our parental religion

Bible was something to be interpreted

he said I am the truth, the way and the live

thought it was a mistranslarion

find the quickest way of becoming

yoga, hatha first

raja yoga, the yoga of the mind

18:00

parts of yoga tangential

TM puts you to sleep

you’ve got to be a fighter

the word was OM

Krishnas chanting. As long as you’re chanting you can’t think

this isn’t an answer, it’s deliverance

I dropped a bunch

I never got anyplace with raja yoga

kept it up

followed the rules

didn’t smoke cigarettes

very few restaurants would serve you vegetables

also was celibate for seven years

fools rip find a woman

strangely enough they wouldn’t have me, so I was ssaved

21:0

back to the drawing board

thinking I was the biggest fool on earth

snake with its tail in its mouth

when I was 32 years of age something snapped in my head [still 32 in 1979]

I visited a dimension I couldn’t describe

neither right nor left

came back and within a year’s time married

AA saying, never can remember it exactly

carry a card in your wallet

we are not omnipotent

23:50

magical powers, see through our neighbor’s lifestyle

all worked out

people who struggle are the people who struggle

just don’t go anyplace

the struggle is necessary

powers that I needed to get even with my enemies

25:19

I think this is about as far as I can go

run through something

will then communicate with you

DIAGRAM

Hubert Benoit, first guy to draw the triangle

without the conciliatory principle we wouldn’t act

whether you take the elevator or take the steps

blue shirt or a white shirt

choose booze or dope, sex or food

Umpire makes the decision

fickle character

survival of his species

Ron Hubbard quite a huckster

man throw himself on a hand grenade

strictly a somatic, human species type of behavior

28:33

after we observe this

Psychology of the Observer

long before Skinner loused it up.

file 1 ends at 28:41

File 2

00:00

[long blank space at start of side 2]

… knowledge, another form of apprehension of things

you might say that intuition is a silent computerization

millions of things recorded

should we eat or go hungry

retreat or throw ourselves on a hand grenade

in the business of trying to verbalize things you have to use words

head explodes

scheme of things going on the human mind

we are not two people, the observed and the observer. We asre only the observer

then the observer becomes more impersonal

process observer

how much the ramifications exist

you and the unmanifested mind experience each other

the conciliatory place is the absolute

can’t give you a formula how much energy it takes to do that

gestalts, whole philosophies

never completely rise above the process observer

pure mind realization of awareness

awareness of awareness

see these things happening

brings you to an absolute point of realization

05:00

Now I’d like to talk to you

if no questions, might as well all get a can of pop

poets who have written poetry who would inspire a person to look inside himself Omar Khayyam

the same door wherein I went

turned down an empty glass

drink your wine and what’s left is an empty glass; because it doesn’t matter

I don’t believe that all art is aimed in that direct

some art is an outburst of the ego

08:30

unless you know who’s enjoying

the human race has a paradigm

color green

the whole vision of live is a paradigm

Congressman looks dignified, draws respect

I don’t buy pleasure or pain

by the same toke that this is a head trip

half-Indian woman from West Virginia

romance the love affair is projected in

had not by the other person, but by nature

energy

province of the young, that there is something as pleasure or happiness

if not a lecher

rapture about this thing called life

12:00

I think that the human computer, the the capacity for solving a lot more than what he solves

refuse to feed the computer with

dozens to hundred problems at once

don’t forget to take the garbage out

shut yourself down

when you try to do it all hell breaks loose

the mind would cook these up rapidly

the number of transistors we’ve got in there will solve more

all the data is in there

get tangled up in logical thinking

forget about it

14:30

When I did my thinking was long before they discovered the alpha and beta waves

drugs – paralyzing the other centers

nothing comes out of it

LSD caused them to look into esoteric philosophy

like letting the water out f the balloon

16:00

I try to simplify

Ramana Maharshi

knowledge of the absolute

Our heads work just as well with English words

What is seeing? The process observer

in conflict with the intuitive mind

if you’re hungry you think of an apple

somatic mind might belabor itself with syllogisms

the view is not the view

the body is not us

cut your toes off, fingers off

paralyzed from the neck down

sometimes the head is out but the body is still working

watch yourself watching, so to speak

that is meditation

if you want to know yourself, watch ourself

traumatic meditation

20:00

don’t try to relive it

and maybe you’re getting your nose punched

perspective without the heat

then you can work your way up

yesterday you pulled the same thing

start to change

if you see the evidence, you have to change

now we’re observing the change

we’re watching a process. process observer

aware of the processes of the intuitive mind

in religion sometimes they call it a conscience

step to the left or the right

motive, then you’ve colored the discovery

the whole motive is to find out

curiosity about the self

Q. [Strong Aussie accent] how can you rationalize

23:50

R. You’re a little difficult to understand

each man is a ray

each ray observes

capacity limitation

by some accident it becomes aware of its source

I don’t know why God is, or the absolute is.

It’s just its structure

Q. Do you have to have a set of symbols?

R. No

sounds like a co game coming up

I was 32 and I was 10 years taking notes

between the electrons, between the raindrops

all you have to do is go inside yourself, and the hell with what I say

if you put enough energy into it you’ll get results

maybe I can say something

don’t believe in umbrella-type systems

everybody has different factors

John of the Cross that’s a darn good book

28: You don’t even reach it you won’t know until you’ve passed it can’t use it to look up ahead

everybody comes in from a different angle my response will somehow kick a trigger

I would suggest you get that paper

traumatic meditation

you had been rebuffed

most of your traumas have to do with running up against your fellowman, don’t have much to do with your essence

File 3

This is the individual saying, “I’m going to dominate this picture show.”

Get some of the barnacles out of the mechanism

John Lilly.

I’ve been a little suspicious unless they had a union card.

Father in law had two voices. One of them told him to jump off the hill, the other told him not to listen to the first one.

When you set your mind to do this thing you’ll get help.

Guardian Angel.

paradoxical

the paradoxes have to be there I order to complete your thinking..

But along the road it seems like you definitely have a shield

but I wouldn’t depend on it

you don’t have any ax to grind.

so if we don’t exert our spiritual force

fellow in Canana

Rolfe Alexander, student of Gurdjieff, devised a system of realization through self-hypnosis

You may hypnotize yourself into a ceratin state of mind

former Krishnite, said when they danced marble god moved

each religion has hysteria

get into a certain auto-hypnotic state

something may fire back from a book you read.

Q. your last lecture was on Moods [check dates]

R. … ou don’t like with a monkey wrench and loosen aor tighten

everything governed by moods

patriotic concept, martial music, waving flag

the television is a tremendous colorer oif meeds

the mood is a false state of mind

louse up our life for years

by a mood I mean a state of mind that carries a convictoyion with it

Q. [Paul Mahler] … what is the best way to cut these off?

R establish a priority, family first

sit down and calmly meditate

recognizes it as an invasion “Hey, I could get all wrapped up in that.” All of that stuff you can face it

you may have to list your priorities those things have to be decided prior

you can do whatever you wish, as long as it doesn’t interfere

have to go to college, he was a master chess player too. he played chess and he went to college

Q. Sleeping and dreams used on spiritual

R. I advise people to write them

Q. Is the process observer part of the ray of creation?

R. [refers to chart] the unmanifested mind is the awareness

it’s the final consciousness, excluding the final that line is awareness of consciousness and consciousness of awareness

this may not mean a thing to you unless you’ve made the trip

it’s what you identify as you

after you get up here it’s just part of the scenery.

Q. pleasure was illusion - control

R. illusion is that this final solution comes with pleasure, beauty

in the feeling of cosmic consciousness ecstasy and beauty Richard Bucke, St. John of the Cross pure is-ness, no right nor less Zen literature no-mind the mind stops on dead center but you can’t stop it on dead center. It will stop there.

Q. experiments took taste and smell away from th person

R. Lilly/ might cause the mind to stop

talking to girl who was pretty burned She said, “You only get into acid what you put into it.”

get into it without inhibiting their lechery.

Q, if his mind accidentally stop any person?

R. No

File 4

drawing the bow back. There has to be an extreme amount of tension

no great spiritual revelation

Q. What do you ave to say about reincarnation

R. avoid it rationalization and procrastination

this is the only one we can really have I don’t want any more

if you can get out of this rat race, that’s getting out of prison Plato it was a question of my egotistical idea of justice now all of the sudden the responsibility is thrown on him that guild is imposed. It isn’t real I can’t see this idea of paying debts life after life after life

eat, drink and be merry too late fish catches the fisherman Q. struggles at the tie of death

he may have a realization no longer has the egos of youth he dies with his mouth open but nothing comes out

people will compile the data catalog the instances fall into distinct categories October 1974 I died at 10:52 he described his experience grids and vistas he doesn’t say what he did in his lifetime four levels of man Gurdjieff

ambition, excitement, power things went black and they stayed black until I woke up don’t seem to have recollections when they wake up

they see the mother the father never shows up

intellectual doesn’t see any people witnesses vistas or scenery, endless exploration or adventure

minute 10

the intellectual people have an idea of and endless paradise

philosophical people become one with it

saw a materialization up here in Delaware [OH]

say, “Well we have heard that He’s here.”

“We have seen His light.”

time is it, after 9?

Yes, I corresponded with xx years ago

Vedanta

Hollywood Blvd.

names a guru

Their avatar was Ramakrishna.

Krishnamurti

too much and no foundation

still living? no?

friend of Aldous Huxley.

in those days, that’s whe the new cults were

spent some time Oceanside

three forms of Rosicrucians, AMORC, Max Heindel, and up here in Pennsylvania

Q. [Paul Mahler] Any difference in the cults of today vs 1950s.

R. degenerated into expert business machines

people realize it.

person had to be half crocked on dope before they were snowed.

Thomas Merton

Bucke bring out

base of the pyramid supported by a base of ignorance

it’s only as you approach the top that you find active people

I think were returning to that

the door is closed

dope opened the door but also killed them, destroyed their mind

say, “Wow,” and forget it in a half hour

min 20

Q. period of 10 or 12 years

R. There’s no where o go

Q changed you

R. No realize what I already was

I’m the same bastard that I was before

I can’t get interested in the things other people are

my basic personality is pretty much the same

Q. values?

R. oh yes. Because nothing matters

Q. only once

‘R.you can reexperience it. it’s death and nobody wants to die

my mind had just stopped

something inside you puts up a fight.

“So what?”

Seattle Cascade

saw the people in the streets

Q. observer

R. account in the book

what we have is a dichotomy in ourselves

Cascades

my hotel window faced on them

could see all of humanity

endless hoards of people climbing

refers to diagram

I was the fellow who was watching the show

I was watching the creation

became aware of all-ness and nothingness simultaneously

produces a realization that takes you into your real self

Q. existentialism, Sartre

doesn’t matter to me

Q. other religious system

R. seize the podium

I do not argue.

realize new values in the Catholic Church after I left it

people on different levels, maybe just a different door

I’m not talking about religious politics

like the old farmer said, there are many [paths to the top of the hill]

side sh4 ends at 28:17

Footnotes

End